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Old 10-19-2016, 11:15 PM   #29
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everyone knows defense wins championships.
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Old 10-20-2016, 03:23 AM   #30
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everyone knows defense wins championships.
Thank you PMC. Offense sells tickets, defense wins championships. No one has thrown the football for more yards in as many games than Matt Stafford. The last time he made the playoffs, he had the number two defense in the league. Since then ,no playoffs.
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Old 10-20-2016, 11:19 AM   #31
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What's Manning playoff record?
How many SB rings does he have?
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Old 10-20-2016, 03:45 PM   #32
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How many SB rings does he have?
Answering a question with a question? The answer is ,as many as his brother.. who is a far inferior QB. Now answer mine....
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Old 10-20-2016, 04:11 PM   #33
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Answering a question with a question? The answer is ,as many as his brother.. who is a far inferior QB. Now answer mine....
He has a .519 winning percentage, w/ 14 wins and 13 losses... 5th place.

Better than Dan Marino, Danny White, Steve McNair, Phillip Rivers... and even Warren Moon.
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I don't know why anyone is comparing Manning to Moon. Manning is far better than Moon.

I will say SB wins should weigh less on evaluating a QB, than their whole body of work. Mainly because you can win the SB with average to below average QB's, but you can't with an elite qb and garbage defense. It's never happened. Closest was, ironically, the 2006 colts. their defense in regular season was not that great, but in the playoffs/SB, they stepped up.
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I don't know why anyone is comparing Manning to Moon. Manning is far better than Moon.

I will say SB wins should weigh less on evaluating a QB, than their whole body of work. Mainly because you can win the SB with average to below average QB's, but you can't with an elite qb and garbage defense. It's never happened. Closest was, ironically, the 2006 colts. their defense in regular season was not that great, but in the playoffs/SB, they stepped up.
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Moon was very, very good. Dan Pasterini (?) was also very good.
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Moon was very very good
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Moon was very very good
If he was very, very good... what does that make Peyton?
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If he was very, very good... what does that make Peyton?
Manning was elite. there's no comparison. Not because of the SB rings, but because of how he played the game.
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Old 10-20-2016, 05:41 PM   #39
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Manning was elite. there's no comparison. Not because of the SB rings, but because of how he played the game.
Thank you for the response. I'm just trying to gauge where you are on a players game scale.

I tossed in the rings, well... because.
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If he was very, very good... what does that make Peyton?
Peyton was one of the all time greats, there is no question. Possibly the best regular season QB's of all time. His playoff record was barely over .500. If he wouldn't have 'hitched a ride' with the Broncos at the end of his career, and got to two super bowls, wich he was 1-1, he would have been under .500 in the playoffs. I was commenting on you saying none of the oilers QB's were great. I would say that none were great, but I think moon was very,very good. IMO.
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Payton was one of the all time greats, there is no question. Possibly the best regular season QB's of all time. His playoff record was barely over .500. If he wouldn't have 'hitched a ride' with the Broncos at the end of his career, and got to two super bowls, wich he was 1-1, he would have been under .500 in the playoffs. I was commenting on you saying none of the oilers QB's were very good. I would say that none were great, but I think moon was very,very good. IMO.
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Ehhhh... wasn't a huge fan. Really, none of the Oilers' QB's were that great to me...
Was Moon good, sure. Very, very, good...

I loved, and still love SMASH MOUTH football. I loved watching the Oilers -vs- Steelers... anytime, all the time... that was HUGE!!!
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Your correct, I reread your post, I edited my post to reflect you said great ,not good. You were too fast for my edit. Still I never claimed Moon was great, just very, very good. Now Earl Campbell, great!
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