05-02-2018, 07:43 AM | #1 |
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A10 TCM tune or not to tune
The car is a 17' A10. Mods are mild. Roto Fab, Ported throttle body, 2" kooks headers-no cats, 9.10 lower (problay going to 9.55 to go with the LT4 lid and meth that is on the car now but not active tell new tune). On another thread about remote tuning https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527695 most are saying no need to get into the TCM at this level. Had one tuner say we needed in and another say likely no reason to at this point. Any info would be great. Tune with out TCM at what mods or tune with TCM at what mods.
Thanks a lot Travis
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05-02-2018, 08:17 AM | #2 |
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I wouldn't with that level of mods. I probably would if I wanted to set the shift points higher like after you add a cam or make a lot more power. If anything, I would probably wait until GM releases their programming before doing anything.
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05-02-2018, 11:47 AM | #3 |
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If you do decide to go with more power in the future, I would. Mine has been done and it's lightning quick. Downshifts are downright scary too! Good luck!
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05-02-2018, 01:12 PM | #4 |
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Sounds like I can leave it alone for now. Thanks guys
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05-02-2018, 01:14 PM | #5 |
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I assume Vengeance tuned your TCM?
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05-02-2018, 04:59 PM | #6 |
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If you have an A10, I would definitely send the TCM for a tune. Right now you have pulley, intake, ported TB, and a lower, with increased breathing (intake and headers). I would talk to a reputable shop and see what they say (Cunningham, Vengenace, WeaponX) my guess is 3/3 of those shops will tell you to send the TCM to be unlocked and tune the car properly.
for reference , I installed a rotofab and tried to tune afterwards WITHOUT sending the TCM to be unlocked... while we picked up about 40 extra torq, we could only increase the HP by about 18. he could see that the system was locked out and he could only make small adjustments to lean the system out a bit. When I do hard pulls, I throw a code, which resolves after driving a bit. You have what I have + ported TB and a pulley. If it were my car, answer 1-10 would be YES, tune. I purchased the 2.3 griptech upper recently with green belt. I am going to drop it off at my tuner's place to have the TCM sent to HP tuners and unlocked, add the 2.3' upper, retune, and hopefully be done.
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05-02-2018, 07:11 PM | #9 | |
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here is one thread from HP tuners forum https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...aro-zl1-tuning there are other threads on our forum as well. If you are going to add those mods, and do an ECU tune, send the TCM to be unlocked and do it the right way. Again, don't take my word for it, contact vengeance, Cunningham, or weapon X and see what they say. I defer to them (however, since I have spoken with 2 of the 3, I know what they are going to say)
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'14 CTS-V Coupe - ZL1 lid - Ported TB - Ported Snout - AirRad CAI - 8.66" lower - 2.55" upper- Greenbelt - SW Headers - SW Catback - Varimax Intercooler Pump - Track Attack Intercooler-Tuned at BRC Raceworks (551rwhp/516trq) '17 Maserati Levante- STOCK Last edited by drfeelgood; 05-02-2018 at 07:23 PM. |
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05-02-2018, 07:28 PM | #11 |
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nope, not upset at all. yes, you mentioned ECM, I never did.. the TCM doesn't HAVE to be unlocked, but there are plenty of reports of how the car drives regarding shift points without modifications. You know this already though, and you know that any of the reputable shops are going to tell hm to send the TCM in
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'17 White ZL1 A10 Convertible - TM ported TB - RotoFab CAI - 2.3" griptech upper pulley - Kooks 1 7/8" Headers with High Flow Cats - Borla S-type Catback - Audio Overhaul - NavTV M650-GM - 20" BlackDiForza- Michelin Pilot Sport4S - Tuned at BRC Raceworks (606rwhp/675trq)
'14 CTS-V Coupe - ZL1 lid - Ported TB - Ported Snout - AirRad CAI - 8.66" lower - 2.55" upper- Greenbelt - SW Headers - SW Catback - Varimax Intercooler Pump - Track Attack Intercooler-Tuned at BRC Raceworks (551rwhp/516trq) '17 Maserati Levante- STOCK |
05-02-2018, 07:30 PM | #12 |
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It is now on the bottom end of things I want to get accomplished. I am going very minimal upgrade, so its not very pressing. I bought the parts, they are sitting to be installed. may try to drop it off within the next couple of weeks.
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'17 White ZL1 A10 Convertible - TM ported TB - RotoFab CAI - 2.3" griptech upper pulley - Kooks 1 7/8" Headers with High Flow Cats - Borla S-type Catback - Audio Overhaul - NavTV M650-GM - 20" BlackDiForza- Michelin Pilot Sport4S - Tuned at BRC Raceworks (606rwhp/675trq)
'14 CTS-V Coupe - ZL1 lid - Ported TB - Ported Snout - AirRad CAI - 8.66" lower - 2.55" upper- Greenbelt - SW Headers - SW Catback - Varimax Intercooler Pump - Track Attack Intercooler-Tuned at BRC Raceworks (551rwhp/516trq) '17 Maserati Levante- STOCK |
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05-02-2018, 09:49 PM | #14 |
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Yeah, I spoke to them also, and they told me the same thing... you don't HAVE to, but they recommended it, because if you know you're gonna add more power in the future, just get it unlocked and tune it the right way
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'14 CTS-V Coupe - ZL1 lid - Ported TB - Ported Snout - AirRad CAI - 8.66" lower - 2.55" upper- Greenbelt - SW Headers - SW Catback - Varimax Intercooler Pump - Track Attack Intercooler-Tuned at BRC Raceworks (551rwhp/516trq) '17 Maserati Levante- STOCK |
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