Homepage Garage Wiki Register Community Calendar Today's Posts Search
#Camaro6
Go Back   CAMARO6 > CAMARO6.com General Forums > ZL1 Discussions


Bigwormgraphix


Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-17-2020, 02:54 PM   #1
SgtRick
 
Drives: 1968 Camaro and 2019 ZL1
Join Date: May 2019
Location: CA
Posts: 51
Performance Data Recorder

Went yesterday to the track to run the quarter mile for the first time. Turned on the PDR and it recorded the run at 11.90. The car ran 11.391 @ 123.4 mph. Are the PDR's only an estimate, or does it need calbration? Thanks.



Last edited by SgtRick; 02-17-2020 at 02:56 PM. Reason: add video link
SgtRick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 03:59 PM   #2
Tricksta


 
Tricksta's Avatar
 
Drives: 2018 ZL1 A10
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Leipsic,Ohio
Posts: 3,811
Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtRick View Post
Went yesterday to the track to run the quarter mile for the first time. Turned on the PDR and it recorded the run at 11.90. The car ran 11.391 @ 123.4 mph. Are the PDR's only an estimate, or does it need calbration? Thanks.


The PDR would start the timer as soon as you touch the gas pedal and are off the brake I believe , so any wheel slip would play into your ET on PDR , where as the track time wouldn't start until you crossed the lasers, so wheel slip wouldn't effect your ET on the track.
__________________
Modifications
GM Dark Tail Lights / 3rd Brake Light & Reflectors | LED Reverse Lights | Diode Dynamics Side Markers | Borla "ATAK" Cat Back Exhaust

Last edited by Tricksta; 02-17-2020 at 04:11 PM.
Tricksta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 04:10 PM   #3
Tricksta


 
Tricksta's Avatar
 
Drives: 2018 ZL1 A10
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Leipsic,Ohio
Posts: 3,811
Also, what was your RT if you don't mind? I'd assume if you add your RT to the ET you would get close to the 11.90 the PDR had.
__________________
Modifications
GM Dark Tail Lights / 3rd Brake Light & Reflectors | LED Reverse Lights | Diode Dynamics Side Markers | Borla "ATAK" Cat Back Exhaust
Tricksta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 04:55 PM   #4
SgtRick
 
Drives: 1968 Camaro and 2019 ZL1
Join Date: May 2019
Location: CA
Posts: 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tricksta View Post
Also, what was your RT if you don't mind? I'd assume if you add your RT to the ET you would get close to the 11.90 the PDR had.
.039 red
SgtRick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 04:59 PM   #5
SgtRick
 
Drives: 1968 Camaro and 2019 ZL1
Join Date: May 2019
Location: CA
Posts: 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tricksta View Post
The PDR would start the timer as soon as you touch the gas pedal and are off the brake I believe , so any wheel slip would play into your ET on PDR , where as the track time wouldn't start until you crossed the lasers, so wheel slip wouldn't effect your ET on the track.
That makes sense. I had/still have a gyro type device that does the same data as the PDR, no overlay, just records the data. It starts as soon as the gyro senses the movement instead of when the wheel breaks the beams. Thanks for the help.
SgtRick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 05:01 PM   #6
Tricksta


 
Tricksta's Avatar
 
Drives: 2018 ZL1 A10
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Leipsic,Ohio
Posts: 3,811
Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtRick View Post
That makes sense. I had/still have a gyro type device that does the same data as the PDR, no overlay, just records the data. It starts as soon as the gyro senses the movement instead of when the wheel breaks the beams. Thanks for the help.
no problem.
__________________
Modifications
GM Dark Tail Lights / 3rd Brake Light & Reflectors | LED Reverse Lights | Diode Dynamics Side Markers | Borla "ATAK" Cat Back Exhaust
Tricksta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 05:30 PM   #7
Badmojo
aka BeastZL1
 
Badmojo's Avatar
 
Drives: 2019 Camaro ZL1 1LE, 2004 Cobra
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: NC
Posts: 1,103
It usually reads a couple tenths slow, since the PDR starts as soon as the car moves and the track timers don't start until the front tire leaves the timing beams. Was the 0.5 sec difference repeatable?
__________________
2019 Camaro ZL1 1LE
Racing for ALS Youtube Link
Badmojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 07:22 PM   #8
SgtRick
 
Drives: 1968 Camaro and 2019 ZL1
Join Date: May 2019
Location: CA
Posts: 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Badmojo View Post
It usually reads a couple tenths slow, since the PDR starts as soon as the car moves and the track timers don't start until the front tire leaves the timing beams. Was the 0.5 sec difference repeatable?
All the times were off. I just watched another video where he ran 11.48 and the PDR said 12.10.
SgtRick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 08:11 PM   #9
Badmojo
aka BeastZL1
 
Badmojo's Avatar
 
Drives: 2019 Camaro ZL1 1LE, 2004 Cobra
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: NC
Posts: 1,103
Are your tires the factory height?
__________________
2019 Camaro ZL1 1LE
Racing for ALS Youtube Link
Badmojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 08:34 PM   #10
Vigilante375

 
Drives: 2018 Camaro ZL1
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Georgia
Posts: 1,369
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tricksta View Post
Also, what was your RT if you don't mind? I'd assume if you add your RT to the ET you would get close to the 11.90 the PDR had.
RT doesn't mean anything for us regular joes that attend the drag strip. Time doesn't start until the front tire leaves the beam.

If the strip has it setup how pro drag racers race then yes it would matter.
Vigilante375 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 09:08 PM   #11
Tricksta


 
Tricksta's Avatar
 
Drives: 2018 ZL1 A10
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Leipsic,Ohio
Posts: 3,811
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vigilante375 View Post
RT doesn't mean anything for us regular joes that attend the drag strip. Time doesn't start until the front tire leaves the beam.

If the strip has it setup how pro drag racers race then yes it would matter.
it would matter in this case, because the RT is the time from when it hits green to when the first lasers are triggered, and if the PDR is starting its 1/4 mile time as the wheels start to spin, then technically you could add the RT of the track to the tracks ET time and get close to what the PDR gives as an ET.
__________________
Modifications
GM Dark Tail Lights / 3rd Brake Light & Reflectors | LED Reverse Lights | Diode Dynamics Side Markers | Borla "ATAK" Cat Back Exhaust
Tricksta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2020, 10:20 PM   #12
Indyblue98
2012 RS 2ss
 
Drives: 2018 ZL1 2012 2SS WhippleCharged
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kansas
Posts: 414
OP's time difference seems too much to me,
But don't think the reaction time would be the answer.
That launch was not a half second delay.

Used the PDR a few times at the Track
1st was in a 2016 Z06
Later with 2018 ZL1 both cars were reading within 0.1 on time vs Track Timers.

Z06 ran a 11.34 at 124 reaction time 0.023

ZL1 was 11.8 at 122 reaction time 0.13

Both Cars Stock except Green Air Filters and 91 Octane fuel here
Indyblue98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2020, 12:22 PM   #13
Vigilante375

 
Drives: 2018 Camaro ZL1
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Georgia
Posts: 1,369
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tricksta View Post
it would matter in this case, because the RT is the time from when it hits green to when the first lasers are triggered, and if the PDR is starting its 1/4 mile time as the wheels start to spin, then technically you could add the RT of the track to the tracks ET time and get close to what the PDR gives as an ET.
And yet his RT was a -.039 (red light). Doesn't add up to the ~.6 difference of his 2 ET's. 9/10 times us regular joes at the drag strip will never see the pro timing light where if you're reaction time does matter. Unless it's one of those bracket events or whatever.

I used to think the same thing about reaction times but I was shown different and learned. He could have sat there for 10 seconds before he got on the gas and he still would have ran a 11.3.

I haven't taken my car to the drag strip so I have no insight on the PDR vs track timing.
Vigilante375 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2020, 12:38 PM   #14
Tricksta


 
Tricksta's Avatar
 
Drives: 2018 ZL1 A10
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Leipsic,Ohio
Posts: 3,811
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vigilante375 View Post
And yet his RT was a -.039 (red light). Doesn't add up to the ~.6 difference of his 2 ET's. 9/10 times us regular joes at the drag strip will never see the pro timing light where if you're reaction time does matter. Unless it's one of those bracket events or whatever.

I used to think the same thing about reaction times but I was shown different and learned. He could have sat there for 10 seconds before he got on the gas and he still would have ran a 11.3.

I haven't taken my car to the drag strip so I have no insight on the PDR vs track timing.
This conversation was strictly about why PDR would be different than a track timer. The RT would not be the sole contributing factor, but does play into the time difference.
__________________
Modifications
GM Dark Tail Lights / 3rd Brake Light & Reflectors | LED Reverse Lights | Diode Dynamics Side Markers | Borla "ATAK" Cat Back Exhaust
Tricksta is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Post Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:07 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.