12-21-2018, 10:42 AM | #15 |
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I really dug the 2 door bronco concept. I would have seriously considered one depending on what powertrains were available but all the latest details are pointing to it being 4 door only and based off some shitty Isuzu looking thing.
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12-21-2018, 01:46 PM | #16 |
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I will argue that point with you forver lol. If ford sets the MSRP at a fair price and it dominates than it is a success.
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12-21-2018, 02:28 PM | #17 |
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There is no point in making this comparison. The MSRP will be in the $70's. Dealer mark up will be min $25k, putting it into GTR territory. I'd rather buy a GTR. But, can't wait to see it when it comes out. I'd buy one at MSRP all day, esp if it has the A10.
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12-21-2018, 04:09 PM | #18 |
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My hope is that Ford builds the new 500 to be a Street/Strip Terror. Let the GT350 play the track role.
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12-21-2018, 10:43 PM | #19 |
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I had one of the first 2013 GT500s to roll off the line. 662hp, dyno'd at 600rwhp stock. The car looked and sounded like a beast and at 3860lbs it was great on paper. First day I took it to the track and I realized GT500s are not track cars. (Then I spent tons of money trying to turn it into one... fail)
I believe this GT500 will be no different. It will be a 1/4 mile king and a serious modding platform. It will look and sound the part. It will be better at the track than a Hellcat but I am fairly certain it's not going to be an All-Star like the ZL1 or a Track-Star like the ZL1 1LE. GT350 is and always will be the Mustang track car. (my opinion)
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12-23-2018, 03:50 PM | #22 | |
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12-23-2018, 09:20 PM | #24 |
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The ZL1 1LE is far from slow in the quarter mile. Considering that it is a manual trans, and seeing what other cars with similar HP/TQ, IRS, and a manual trans are doing in the quarter mile, I'd say it is right on par. The problem is that the automatics are just soo much faster in the quarter mile than the manuals. So they seem slower by comparison. Example, all the fast times that people brag about concerning the new GT, those are all automatics. What is the manual trans GT doing? Mid 12s if that? LOL!! Is it slow? The ZL1 1LE is just a few ticks, if that, behind what the 13-14 GT500 was despite the GT500 having a lot more features that were more favorable for quarter mile runs and having more HP and being lighter. Plus GM built safety features into the ZL1s with manual trans to keep them from flying off the road. All that taken into consideration and it is still right on par with a stock Hellcat and the 13-14 GT500s (I mention those because that is the only thing Ford made that was on the same HP level as the ZL1).
These days if you want to compare what is fast then you have to go by what the auto equipped cars will do. I'm betting we'll also see a huge difference with the upcoming GT500 between the auto and manual versions. And if there is an R version that is track bred then I bet it'll be manual trans and I bet it'll be much "slower" than the auto equipped one. The ZL1 1LE for what it is and can do is nothing short of amazing whether it is the quarter mile or on a track. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again...nothing in it's price range can beat it at anything. That goes for the ZL1 and the ZL1 1LE. Well except for maybe a GS Vette and a 1LZ Z06. |
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The GT500 won't be "embarrassing" anything. It might be faster than the ZL1...exactly how much faster and at exactly what and if the amount that it is faster is proportionate to the HP it will have all still remains to be seen. But you can't "embarrass" a car that is completely unchanged 3-4 MYs after it has been out, lol!! We already know Ford had their hands full trying to match the ZL1 considering they had to push the release date back twice. That shows just how powerful and fast the ZL1 actually is. If anything, it just shows exactly what it takes to outperform a ZL1...3-4 years of development and way more HP. LOL!! |
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I think BlaqWhole sums it up well below:
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On the flip side of that coin, I think the GT500 will actually help improve ZL1 sales. Why? Because all the peple who are holding out for one will be disappointed when they see $20K (minimum) markups. So that will drive them right over to the Chevy lot for a nice brand new ZL1 that doesn't have markups and all that nonsense associated with it. Or maybe even a nice used one for even less. Or a Redeye. Kinda ironic tho that dealership greed will drive up the opposition's sales. I mean, what else are they gonna get...a Bullitt?? LOL!! People can trash talk ZL1s all they want. But the fact remains that if you want a mega HP car then the ZL1 is the absolute best bang for the buck on the planet. |
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The Alpha SS embarrassed the GT. In manual and auto forms, they weren’t even close. Three model years into Alpha Camaro, a substantial redesign of the GT resulted in a drivers race edge for the A10, the M6 still trailing by three to four tenths, a failed PP1 and a PP2 that can hang for one lap. The Alpha ZL1 matches a Hellcat at the strip and beats a GT350R on a road course with no drama, grand touring comfort. Ford GT500 delayed ...and delayed and will arrive in the ZL1’s fourth year ...a lifetime in automotive cycles The ZL1 1LE is in a class by itself. ...as is the SS 1LE I doubt anyone on team Camaro will feel embarrassed.
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