05-02-2019, 05:34 PM | #141 | |
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i'm separating out the people of this forum who notice every little thing that's different from the general car public ..which includes the reviewers who will make statements such as "the front end looks ugly" or "the 5th gen is too similar to the 6th" etc. I dont think if someone looked at those reviews of the 2019 that said it was ugly and then looked at the 2020 car ...that they'd see a real difference. I dont think the reviewers will honestly say it's much different either. It's visually a bit more appealing, but the people who got really butt hurt over the 2019 are still going to be butt hurt over the 2020 because it's still mostly got the same problems. the front end is too angry looking and got too many angles and fangs and corners. The reviewers however, if they did have paddle shifters that were useful make make that very known, and even though the general public would probably hardly ever use them, they would respond to the fact that their car had paddle shifters that worked as it sets them apart from all other automatics and is something you only see in sports cars with dual clutch transmissions, etc. It's something they'd brag about or be sold on. The interior issues would similarly be a huge departure from existing models. If you can't or have no plan to fix the main issues the public has with the car like size, visibility, rear seats or trunk opening... .then you should try and improve the other things that dont alter the car substantially manufacturing-wise but vastly improve the quality of life. Like interior plastics, gauge area, shifting (for auto's), hand-brake functionality, and the plastic parts they slap on the outside that greatly impact the perception of the car. Classing the car up a bit would go a long way to improving ownership numbers without compromising the performance. edit: and full disclosure, I'd never buy a new one unless my current one got hit by someone and totalled not because I dont like how the camaro looks or dont like how the 2020 looks, but because I dont want to waste my money by buying a new car every couple years. Chevy doesn't have to worry about selling me a camaro - i'd buy one when the time comes pretty much no matter how it looked. it's the only car i've ever spent money on and i've had multiple generations. But there aren't enough people like me it seems since the numbers keep dropping, so I'm suggesting things that would make it appeal to more than just me. Without alienating people who like it like i do. |
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05-02-2019, 06:12 PM | #143 |
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Do I see brembos?
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05-02-2019, 06:16 PM | #144 |
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I'm with you....like mine better, and now 2019 SS models will be a one year production.
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05-02-2019, 06:31 PM | #145 | |
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Camaros are bought for the performance and the styling, so there should be choice on the nice-to-have stuff. Chevy is finally getting the message. |
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05-02-2019, 07:04 PM | #146 |
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Now they just need to bring back Hyper Blue Metallic.
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05-02-2019, 07:05 PM | #147 | ||||
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I’m not surprised by the changes as it is simply adding more combinations of existing parts. Not really a big deal. The biggest change is the front fascia as that was an actual change to tooling. But you are coming across negatively. Good on ya for predicting a bigger change than I expected. But you seem to be negative because I expected less? Quote:
You will see a performance hybrid......someday. Just not in a very minor year after the minor. I doubt it. We can hope but as I read it it’s a V8 in an LT. To cut the price several grand over an SS has to mean it’s an LT chasiss including brakes. But love the optimism. Quote:
But it wouldn’t surprise me as I’ve pointed out the V8 in an LT is a desperation move. And if they are desperate then maybe they’ll advertise. In just doubt they will. If they do, it will make a lot of people on this site really happy....who already either own one or want one. Issue is does it even remotely move the needle for others? This is now a really tiny market segment and advertising for a bigger share of a fixed market is probably a non-starter from a business perspective.
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05-02-2019, 07:09 PM | #148 | |
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I get what you're saying. But you liked it enough to buy it! That's worth something. Initially with the 2020 news, i was kinda pissed. But i saw enough 18's 19's next to each other at the dealer, that i came to the conclusion i like them both with a slight preference to the 19's in certain colors. And also thought if the SEMA front end was true... i would like it better, but the 19 is still good I got to say, while everyone seems to have a preference in which front end they like, i find the radically emotional opinions a little weird. It's like you've found this awesome gal* with all the physical attributes that turn you on (huge pair of cylinder banks for example), and then you reject her because you don't like what she did with her hair. *sorry i wasn't more inclusive here... but i'm tired |
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05-02-2019, 07:18 PM | #149 |
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That new lt1 model is nice. I prefer the looks of it to the ss.
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05-02-2019, 07:29 PM | #150 |
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Looks great to me.
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05-02-2019, 07:35 PM | #151 | |
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05-02-2019, 07:38 PM | #152 |
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Interesting moves. I kind of like the LT1 idea. Not for me personally, but I can see how many in the market for a V6 due to budget can stretch up to a V8 without having to pay for the SS. I think that’s a smart move and will likely help sales.
The whole front end change is not that big of a deal for me. I had a 16 2SS and loved it. I now have a 19 1SS 1LE and love it. I think the black front bar works with the 1LE package and also works with certain colors on the SS. Most of the complaints are coming from 16-18 SS owners. Sure, the flowtie looks better in the grill but doesn’t move the needle at all on perform, which is what drove me to purchase the car. These styling issues get way over-blown IMO. |
05-02-2019, 07:50 PM | #153 |
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It is a great thing that Chevy is having more engine package choices for all the buying public and that the seem to correct the mistake they made with the front fascia on the 2019 models. The 2020 corrected fascia appearance is better than the 2019 models but I personally still prefer the 2016-2018 front fascias.
I think the higher mounting location of the LT1 fender emblems might be higher than I would prefer. However, they are an improvement over the standard Camaro fender badge. It will be interesting to see the price difference between the V6 RS and this entry level V8 package with a MSRP starting at $35k. Will the V6 have a lower MSRP now? There was a lower starting price on the 2019 vs the 2018 models on the V6 models.
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05-02-2019, 07:56 PM | #154 |
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