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Old 06-29-2018, 08:27 AM   #1
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Pony Wars: $5,000 in mods 2017 Camaro Vs 2017 Mustang

Coworker shared this article to me last night, really interesting to see the camaro only picked up 10whp with bolt ons and tune.

https://www.horsepowerwars.com/horse...ttle-is-tight/
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Old 06-29-2018, 08:30 AM   #2
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for $5K.. that buys ALLOT of NOS... at least 3 bottles.
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Old 06-29-2018, 08:36 AM   #3
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for $5K.. that buys ALLOT of NOS... at least 3 bottles.
Correct, but if I spent 5 on intake, cai, long tubes and a tune and netted 10whp id be extremely disappointed.

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Old 06-29-2018, 09:28 AM   #4
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They need a new tuner.
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Old 06-29-2018, 09:38 AM   #5
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There's massive amounts of wasted money in this.

The Camaro did NOT need that intake manifold. A ported stocker would have been cheaper and better.

Likewise the Mustang didn't need 20" wheels. For crying out loud that was a performance loss, not a gain. Something like flow forged 19" TSW's would have cleared the new big brakes and been lighter and had less rotational mass than boat anchors.

Just...ugh. This kind of stuff annoys me because they make stupid, bonehead decisions which waste money and could have been used for other, more cost effective and bang for the buck modifications.
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Old 06-29-2018, 09:41 AM   #6
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There's massive amounts of wasted money in this.

The Camaro did NOT need that intake manifold. A ported stocker would have been cheaper and better.

Likewise the Mustang didn't need 20" wheels. For crying out loud that was a performance loss, not a gain. Something like flow forged 19" TSW's would have cleared the new big brakes and been lighter and had less rotational mass than boat anchors.

Just...ugh. This kind of stuff annoys me because they make stupid, bonehead decisions which waste money and could have been used for other, more cost effective and bang for the buck modifications.
Not only that but people who don't know the difference will think that they guys are "pros" and made the best choices, and will continue spreading this bullsh*t.
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Old 06-29-2018, 09:52 AM   #7
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They need a new tuner.
A very detailed independent write up and dyno test of these same mods produced 31rwhp with 93 octane. Jannetty racing. Only difference was a rotofab cai and not Holley.

Headers alone make 15 rwhp

All these mods with E85 and porting to the msd intake make about 80 rwhp. And I believe it. I picked up .8 and 8 mph all said and done compared to near stock on drag pack

10 rwhp is a joke something is up

Maybe the aftermarket converter wasn’t locking in the Camaro ? It’s trap speed sure does suck for the mods I don’t doubt it
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Not only that but people who don't know the difference will think that they guys are "pros" and made the best choices, and will continue spreading this bullsh*t.
Yes, exactly.

It's part of the reason I hate American Muscle's videos because they will do a "performance build" but include axle backs.. "to round things out".

Like..that intake manifold is a MSD AirForce manifold..that goes for $1,100! I get they were wanting to match it up with the Ford since it has the GT350 intake manifold and such..

But that money could have been better spent on a better cam, like a GPI cam and utterly put the Ford into the dirt in every metric.

Just...gah.
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There's massive amounts of wasted money in this.

The Camaro did NOT need that intake manifold. A ported stocker would have been cheaper and better.

Likewise the Mustang didn't need 20" wheels. For crying out loud that was a performance loss, not a gain. Something like flow forged 19" TSW's would have cleared the new big brakes and been lighter and had less rotational mass than boat anchors.

Just...ugh. This kind of stuff annoys me because they make stupid, bonehead decisions which waste money and could have been used for other, more cost effective and bang for the buck modifications.
Ported stock and stock msd I’d give stock the edge. Ported msd is better slightly. From my track experience. So yeah in this case I agree

On a heads cam car a ported msd was just proven to pick up 30rwhp over a ported stock
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Old 06-29-2018, 10:34 AM   #10
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Coworker shared this article to me last night, really interesting to see the camaro only picked up 10whp with bolt ons and tune.

https://www.horsepowerwars.com/horse...ttle-is-tight/
sounds like a bad tune.
I know people who have ported IT/TB headers and CAI and put down 45rw.
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Old 06-29-2018, 03:02 PM   #11
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Pray Ported MSD intake $1,400
Pray Ported Stock LT1 cylinder heads $1,200
Cam and associated hardware - $900
Pray 2017 remote tuning - $575
Speed engineering Longtubes and xpipe - $500
rotofab - $400



total $4975 - whats that get you, an extra 150whp?
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Old 06-29-2018, 11:18 PM   #12
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Correct, but if I spent 5 on intake, cai, long tubes and a tune and netted 10whp id be extremely disappointed.
You are already an idiot if you spent money on an intake thinking it'd add HP.
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Pray Ported MSD intake $1,400
Pray Ported Stock LT1 cylinder heads $1,200
Cam and associated hardware - $900
Pray 2017 remote tuning - $575
Speed engineering Longtubes and xpipe - $500
rotofab - $400



total $4975 - whats that get you, an extra 150whp?
Approximately 15377 my little pony miniature pygmy horse powers. All at the wheels too.
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Old 06-30-2018, 06:53 AM   #14
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You are already an idiot if you spent money on an intake thinking it'd add HP.
They work

On the trucks ours is actually more restrictive than yours.

25whp, or 36hp at the crank according to dyno. $400

$11.11 per horsepower, doesn’t get much better than that
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