[Firehead640]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

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I'll patiently wait for the 2019 to be a build option on Dodge's website. If they dropped the cost by nearly 7 grand ( ) that means they made cuts elsewhere in the build. Everything 2018 and prior came fully loaded, 2 transmission options, and then some aesthetic options(2 or 3). I'm betting that you get virtually nothing with this new price, and get nickle and dimed for every little option. Great for guys who just want performance, but for those of us that look for a little more in their car are going to pay out the eyes for some options.

Just a guess. 7K is a huge price reduction (10% almost) so it leads to the question of where is it coming from.

Edit: Maybe they dropped the mandatory leather seats and went back to the suede/leather trim seats? That was like a $2500 option by itself.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by big dave

The only Hellcat I've lost to was one on slicks. Even that margin was only .05. 11.05 to my 11.10. I think the ZL1 matches up very well with the hellcat until you put a set of drag radials on them. If it weren't for torque management, i think the 2 cars would be equal with both being on tires.

I agree 100%. Stock vs stock should be ZL1 easier to launch. HC on DRs the ZL1 will most likely need a tire and tune. Other mods HC is likely easier.

[Alain]

Originally Posted by Firehead640

I'll patiently wait for the 2019 to be a build option on Dodge's website. If they dropped the cost by nearly 7 grand ( ) that means they made cuts elsewhere in the build. Everything 2018 and prior came fully loaded, 2 transmission options, and then some aesthetic options(2 or 3). I'm betting that you get virtually nothing with this new price, and get nickle and dimed for every little option. Great for guys who just want performance, but for those of us that look for a little more in their car are going to pay out the eyes for some options.

Just a guess. 7K is a huge price reduction (10% almost) so it leads to the question of where is it coming from.

Edit: Maybe they dropped the mandatory leather seats and went back to the suede/leather trim seats? That was like a $2500 option by itself.

You are correct. They are making people pay for most, if not all the options that were included in the earlier model years. The leather seats, the upgraded stereo and there are a few other features that you now have to pay for.

It’s averages out to about the same price as before (when both cars are equally optioned).

Like you said, if all you want, or care about is the motor than you are in luck. But if you want the same level of interior as what was standard in the early years, then you are going to pay.

A decently optioned Hellcat red eye is close to 80K. Fully optioned is closer to 85K...... too much money if you ask me.

[XXX ZL1]

I priced a red eye and it was 86k with decent options. Really cool car, but not worth 20k over zl1.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by XXX ZL1

I priced a red eye and it was 86k with decent options. Really cool car, but not worth 20k over zl1.

A base red eye is about 73 and a base ZL1 is 64, less than 10k apart.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

A base red eye is about 73 and a base ZL1 is 64, less than 10k apart.

Does the base Red Eye have the same content of a base ZL1?

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Does the base Red Eye have the same content of a base ZL1?

Close enough I would think, except that Dodge has 147 more horses.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Close enough I would think, except that Dodge has 147 more horses.

That's a big assumption...

The ZL1 comes nearly loaded for a base and Dodge just cut out all the content of the HC so you can get cloth, base stereo, etc to bring the entry level price down.

The HP statement is funny, one might as well say you get x-seconds faster per lap with the ZL1 depending on the road course.

Edit: My point is that the price for each should compare similar content, not base MSRP. If you are going to compare list prices, then the options/content (leather/power seats, stereo/NAV, etc) should be as close as reasonable.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

That's a big assumption...

The ZL1 comes nearly loaded for a base and Dodge just cut out all the content of the HC so you can get cloth, base stereo, etc to bring the entry level price down.

The HP statement is funny, one might as well say you get x-seconds faster per lap with the ZL1 depending on the road course.

For the masses who do nothing but street stuff and 1/4 mile , the ZL1 isn't competitive to a 73 K redeye, how many people road course there stuff regularly and give me cloth seats and less crap to break. I would buy a lightweight less equipped ZL1 10 speed in a heart beat. I have a base 1LT manual stingray, love it.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

For the masses who do nothing but street stuff and 1/4 mile , the ZL1 isn't competitive to a 73 K redeye, how many people road course there stuff regularly and give me cloth seats and less crap to break. I would buy a lightweight less equipped ZL1 10 speed in a heart beat. I have a base 1LT manual stingray, love it.

I won't argue GM offering an equipment reduced ZL1 - but until they do, the base ZL1 and base HC aren't really comparable for content and in saying so, neither in price.

In the 1/4 mile, the red eye will only win on a prepped track with an aftermarket DR or slick. In all street scenarios, on stock setups, the ZL1 will launch much better than the HC.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

I won't argue GM offering an equipment reduced ZL1 - but until they do, the base ZL1 and base HC aren't really comparable for content and in saying so, neither in price.

In the 1/4 mile, the red eye will only win on a prepped track with an aftermarket DR or slick. In all street scenarios, on stock setups, the ZL1 will launch much better than the HC.

I am a GM guy thru and thru, but with equal drivers, A8 trans in both and OE tire on both cars, The redeye will beat the ZL1 100 % of the time in the 1/4 mile on the street and on the track. Pole to pole or light to light, the ZL1 will probably launch harder and may win the 1/8 mile race. Then there's the stigma of 797 horsepower.. priceless. Camaro needs to start selling a lot better than they do and do what ever it takes to get there.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

I am a GM guy thru and thru, but with equal drivers, A8 trans in both and OE tire on both cars, The redeye will beat the ZL1 100 % of the time in the 1/4 mile on the street and on the track. Pole to pole or light to light, the ZL1 will probably launch harder and may win the 1/8 mile race. Then there's the stigma of 797 horsepower.. priceless. Camaro needs to start selling a lot better than they do and do what ever it takes to get there.

Track yes, street I completely disagree - and the key is the stock tires. They HC has no chance of putting any power down with stock tires until past 80. Plenty of evidence all over to show this fact - the ZL1 does a much better job launching on the street. No chance for the H/C to make up the deficit by the 1/4 mile.

[SammyDog]

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[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Track yes, street I completely disagree - and the key is the stock tires. They HC has no chance of putting any power down with stock tires until past 80. Plenty of evidence all over to show this fact - the ZL1 does a much better job launching on the street. No chance for the H/C to make up the deficit by the 1/4 mile.

The wide body has 305's thats a lot of tire. Also with a auto trans its easy to finesse a car from a standstill to put up a respectable hole shot