Where are the 10 second ZL1 1/4 mile passes? - Page 3

newmoon · 08-07-2017, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

Just ran these last night.

Had a couple issues on the first run.
2nd and 4th runs were hotlaps.

Really consistent 60’ times for stock tires, you have definitely got the launch procedures down. Great job.

17CamaroZL1 · 08-07-2017, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Really consistent 60’ times for stock tires, you have definitely got the launch procedures down. Great job.

Thanks man!

Ian SS · 08-07-2017, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

I'll have to try it again sometime then. Maybe there was another reason I couldn't get into PTM that day. I used PTM and line lock the night before my first "prepped" track day running 26 psi in the rears. The next day during a private track rental for the KY True Street crew that my dad runs in, the first thing we did was lower the air to 18 psi in the rear, and after that I couldn't use line lock or launch control. It gave me the launch control disabled message. Maybe I was still able to choose the PTM setting and just not able to use line lock and launch control. I don't remember now, so I'll try it again soon.

No, you got it right. Anytime the low tire pressure sensor (TPMS) light is on, everything is disabled. It is the cars way of playing it safe when tires are low.

TheRedhead · 08-07-2017, 03:35 PM

10.5 wasn't fast enough for me.

But...this is a different animal.

daverowe · 08-07-2017, 05:26 PM

I have made many passes in my 2017 ZL1 A10. The DA is normally mid 3000's. 17" ET Street R's at 18psi and no tpms. Best 60ft 1.72 best 1/4 mile et 11.25@128mph.
Track mode with all nannies off. Launch between 1500-1800 rpms.
My 60ft should be better but can't figure out how.

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 08-07-2017, 08:10 PM

Please refrain from hammering me for this about cold air and shit, but I bet we'll never see 10 second passes on a SHOWROOM STOCK ZL1. Don't think the torque management built in to compensate for the shortness of 1-2-3-4-5-6 will allow for it. If a tuner could go in and just get rid of that alone you could probably see 10.8s on the stock tires...

If the A10 does crack a 10, it will be 2-3 hero runs that are in the 10.95-10.99 range. JMO.

7WSM · 08-07-2017, 08:18 PM

I think it could be done with better air. The MPH some people are running surely dictates the car does have a 10 second passes in them. I know on some tracks the DA can get in the negatives. Pair that with 60-70 degree temps and you would see some factory stock cars running in the high 10s.

NJSRT · 08-07-2017, 08:23 PM

I think the above answered the question I was going to ask. I currently have a Hellcat and with a set of 305 rear tires, people are running 10.8 - 10.9s. Plus, the new wide body Hellcats, which are the same as the current Hellcats, come with factory 305s, and Dodge is claiming a 10.8 1/4 time. Again, these times are consistent with the current ones that add the 305s. Makes sense. So, back to what I wanted to know. The ZL1 traps the same speed as a Hellcat, so why doesn't it get less than low 11s? The ZL1 has the rubber in the rear. Is it the number of gears, hence the number of shifts, or is it th torque management that is holding it back a bit? Again, I'm on these forums because I love the new ZL1, and kind of shopping around. Thanks guys.

laynlo15 · 08-07-2017, 09:23 PM

I hope you are right. I want to see the zl1 run in the 10's as much as anyone. They have a long way to go to just catch me.

big dave · 08-08-2017, 07:13 AM

A stock ZL1 will run 10s...Period! I don't care if it's a hero run. Does that mean it didn't happen? The one hellcat that ran 10.99 on stock tires wasn't discounted because it was a hero run.

7WSM · 08-08-2017, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NJSRT

I think the above answered the question I was going to ask. I currently have a Hellcat and with a set of 305 rear tires, people are running 10.8 - 10.9s. Plus, the new wide body Hellcats, which are the same as the current Hellcats, come with factory 305s, and Dodge is claiming a 10.8 1/4 time. Again, these times are consistent with the current ones that add the 305s. Makes sense. So, back to what I wanted to know. The ZL1 traps the same speed as a Hellcat, so why doesn't it get less than low 11s? The ZL1 has the rubber in the rear. Is it the number of gears, hence the number of shifts, or is it th torque management that is holding it back a bit? Again, I'm on these forums because I love the new ZL1, and kind of shopping around. Thanks guys.

I am thinking gearing (A10s have a 2.85 rear gear) and the TQ management. Watching some of the videos of the Vengeance Racing and RPM Motorsports runs, the cars don't 60' like some of the 9 second cars I have seen. They just seem really soft.

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 08-08-2017, 10:03 AM

Let's not all forget that Hellcats are anywhere from 50-100 HP underrated and that is known and dyno proven time and time again. A dodge rep said that they're "around 40 HP" underrated, but it's much more than that.

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Originally Posted by 7WSM

I am thinking gearing (A10s have a 2.85 rear gear) and the TQ management. Watching some of the videos of the Vengeance Racing and RPM Motorsports runs, the cars don't 60' like some of the 9 second cars I have seen. They just seem really soft.

Very true. They don't launch hard at all. Go watch Hellcats and C7 Z06s launch...They nearly pull the wheels.

ninetres · 08-08-2017, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Let's not all forget that Hellcats are anywhere from 50-100 HP underrated and that is known and dyno proven time and time again. A dodge rep said that they're "around 40 HP" underrated, but it's much more than that.

Very true. They don't launch hard at all. Go watch Hellcats and C7 Z06s launch...They nearly pull the wheels.

I'm not convinced they are that much over rated. Seen tons of dyno vids in the 560-580 on real load dynos. (Same dynos put a10 ZL1s at 510).

TheShooter · 08-08-2017, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by big dave

A stock ZL1 will run 10s...Period! I don't care if it's a hero run. Does that mean it didn't happen? The one hellcat that ran 10.99 on stock tires wasn't discounted because it was a hero run.

Hellcats run 10.85 on the right tires over and over again. No hero runs needed.

On STOCK tires the ZL1 will out-drag the Hellcat most of the time. The Hellcat, with it's understated HP rating, can really pour it on. But they are still very close with the Hellcat having a small edge.

But lets be reasonable. If the ZL1 is a 10th or two behind, how does that matter when the ZL1 will out handle the Hellcat in every other way? These are very different cars. I love my Hellcat, but I really want a ZL1 too!

If those 10ths mattered I'd be getting the Demon (and I already passed on one).

R

08-07-2017, 03:35 PM	#32
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08-07-2017, 05:26 PM	#33
daverowe Drives: 2014 2SS RS 1le, 2014 2ls Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: temple Posts: 43	I have made many passes in my 2017 ZL1 A10. The DA is normally mid 3000's. 17" ET Street R's at 18psi and no tpms. Best 60ft 1.72 best 1/4 mile et 11.25@128mph. Track mode with all nannies off. Launch between 1500-1800 rpms. My 60ft should be better but can't figure out how. __________________ 2016 2SS Red Hot A8 2017 ZL1 White A10

08-07-2017, 08:23 PM	#36
NJSRT Drives: 2016 Challenger Hellcat Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: NJ Posts: 11	I think the above answered the question I was going to ask. I currently have a Hellcat and with a set of 305 rear tires, people are running 10.8 - 10.9s. Plus, the new wide body Hellcats, which are the same as the current Hellcats, come with factory 305s, and Dodge is claiming a 10.8 1/4 time. Again, these times are consistent with the current ones that add the 305s. Makes sense. So, back to what I wanted to know. The ZL1 traps the same speed as a Hellcat, so why doesn't it get less than low 11s? The ZL1 has the rubber in the rear. Is it the number of gears, hence the number of shifts, or is it th torque management that is holding it back a bit? Again, I'm on these forums because I love the new ZL1, and kind of shopping around. Thanks guys. __________________ 16 Challenger Hellcat A8 Granite\|Ruby 17 RAM Rebel Black 17 Audi Q7 Graphite\|Brown

08-07-2017, 09:23 PM	#37
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,860	I hope you are right. I want to see the zl1 run in the 10's as much as anyone. They have a long way to go to just catch me. __________________ 2022 Lt1 6.2 A10, Maggie 2300, THPSI Port Inj/10 rib, Rotofab, E, Nickey, SCOL, Griptech, RC Bandits, Hoosiers/MT 9.80@142.96 1.44 60ft, 6.34@112 707/669 RWHP/TRQ. 16SS Maggie 2650 9.41@147 1.35 60ft, 5.99@119. 16 C7 A8 10.90@128 Bolt on stuff

08-08-2017, 07:13 AM	#38
big dave Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,052	A stock ZL1 will run 10s...Period! I don't care if it's a hero run. Does that mean it didn't happen? The one hellcat that ran 10.99 on stock tires wasn't discounted because it was a hero run. __________________ '17 ZL1 10.99@129 stock. 4225# raceweight. Best 60'- 1.66 on factory tires. 10.48@132 E50, intake and tune. 4270 lbs https://youtu.be/EyHtdH9XOkY https://youtu.be/Lcu41obbTf8 '13 ZL1 BRM A6. 11.591 @ 119.2 factory stock with a 1.68 60'! Best stock mph 121.8. 11.29 @ 123 RotoFab, drag radials and skinnies. 4360# raceweight. http://youtu.be/yggIA3C_kkA 2014... back to stock http://youtu.be/spQLaTWbThs 2013... stock & RotoFab

08-07-2017, 08:10 PM	#34
Can'tHave2MuchHP Drives: Fast Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,696	Please refrain from hammering me for this about cold air and shit, but I bet we'll never see 10 second passes on a SHOWROOM STOCK ZL1. Don't think the torque management built in to compensate for the shortness of 1-2-3-4-5-6 will allow for it. If a tuner could go in and just get rid of that alone you could probably see 10.8s on the stock tires... If the A10 does crack a 10, it will be 2-3 hero runs that are in the 10.95-10.99 range. JMO.

08-07-2017, 08:18 PM	#35
7WSM Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Pearland, TX Posts: 465	I think it could be done with better air. The MPH some people are running surely dictates the car does have a 10 second passes in them. I know on some tracks the DA can get in the negatives. Pair that with 60-70 degree temps and you would see some factory stock cars running in the high 10s.

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