[protovack]

Originally Posted by fastball

Oh come on don’t be such a snob. I owe nothing to my arguments, they’re crystal clear.

Besides, Cadillac used “Rock n Roll” in their ads when they first released the V series. I think if anyone needs to do their arguments more justice it’s YOU!!!

I guess this will blow your mind then--I not only listen to rock music, I play rock and roll--the drums and I love Zeppelin and Bonham. I also love internal combustion engines. I also think a hybrid or full electric camaro would be super cool. Your assertion that people who like the idea of an electric Camaro are "Yanni" types is just pathetic and makes you seem so desperate that you'll use the most simplistic arguments to make your point. So, yes, you DO owe your arguments a little more than that!

There are PLENTY of people here who are looking forward to the tech coming in the near future. YOU are the one who made a post describing these people as "boring yanni types" so don't cower and cry now that I'm calling you out on it

It's all in good fun and we all want to see the Camaro live on. I'm glad to see your at at least passionate about performance cars. We need that to survive.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by protovack

I'm very sure that if the members of Led Zepplin knew you were invoking their name in defense of the "rock and roll lifestyle" and somehow conflating that with driving internal combustion engines, they'd laugh at your naivete. "Ladies, drinks, and parties?" LOL.

I love my SS as much as anyone here. And I actually agree with your points. I think batteries are a fundamentally stupid way to power a car. But that was one of the most cringe-worthy posts I've read in quite a while, mainly owing to the reactionary judgemental tone. You owe it to your arguments to do them more justice!

Also, fear not. I believe that mass ethanol production will enable the ICE to live on, far into the future, for those who want one.

Although i was never a Led Zeppelin fan i was more Genesis ,Kansas, Zappa and Floyd fan but i get the connection .Nick Mayson from Pink Floyd is a huge car fan and owns a Ferrari 250 GTO . I have tons of memories in my 81 Z28 back in 84 ,great times . The smaller displacement motors with the newest technology in turbo chargers on the way for the next gen Camaro really have my interest ,they will be the fastest Camaros ever made .That day when GM produces a EV Camaro that does 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds or less ,i want to be part of that . People will get to see what a real EV performance car is all about , and that Camaro can be delivered the day your in the dealership instead of sending off thousands of dollars in the hopes of actually getting the car deliverd at all . I miss those days of catless cars driving around and that whiff of gas in the air ,but wouldn't give up my 1Le for one . I can't wait to see whats next for the Camaro .

[fastball]

Originally Posted by protovack

I guess this will blow your mind then--I not only listen to rock music, I play rock and roll--the drums and I love Zeppelin and Bonham. I also love internal combustion engines. I also think a hybrid or full electric camaro would be super cool. Your assertion that people who like the idea of an electric Camaro are "Yanni" types is just pathetic and makes you seem so desperate that you'll use the most simplistic arguments to make your point. So, yes, you DO owe your arguments a little more than that!

There are PLENTY of people here who are looking forward to the tech coming in the near future. YOU are the one who made a post describing these people as "boring yanni types" so don't cower and cry now that I'm calling you out on it

It's all in good fun and we all want to see the Camaro live on. I'm glad to see your at at least passionate about performance cars. We need that to survive.

Why? Why exactly would a full electric Camaro be so cool? I don’t care if it goes 0-60 instantaneously. Electric takes ALL the fun out of it. An electric car is the same whether it’s a Tesla, Camaro, or Nissan. There’s no personality to the car. There’s nothing unique. There’s nothing to look at or work on when you open the hood or go underneath. It’s an electric motor and batteries. Big ****ing deal.

Listen to my electric motor when I fire it up

[ChickenPoop]

Originally Posted by fastball

Why? Why exactly would a full electric Camaro be so cool? I don’t care if it goes 0-60 instantaneously. Electric takes ALL the fun out of it. An electric car is the same whether it’s a Tesla, Camaro, or Nissan. There’s no personality to the car. There’s nothing unique. There’s nothing to look at or work on when you open the hood or go underneath. It’s an electric motor and batteries. Big ****ing deal.

Listen to my electric motor when I fire it up

This. Electric shit has no SOUL.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Silverado57

I still miss Led Zeppelin.

the greatest of all time in my opinion and rank #4 in all time album/CD sales. The Stones are #13

All the artwork in my house is rock related with these two taking prominent positions above the fireplace (first) and eat in kitchen (second).

Sorry for the thread jack.

[Michael2000]

There are a lot of unanswered questions about making a Camaro EV.

Can you run it on the track, and actually finish more than a few laps? I don't think there is enough battery capacity with today's Lithium batteries.

Can you run it up a mountain road, and actually get home? Again, I doubt it.

There is Formula E, and they actually have to switch cars during the race, because the batteries don't have enough capacity. Add to that it is a shortened race to begin with, compared to say Formula 1.

Lithium batteries are nearing their theoretical maximum. We would need a new type of battery.

[Stoner]

i'm sure they will make an electric Camaro. But right now we do not have the infrastructure to handle a majority electrical fleet of cars. Just imagine how many charging stations would have to be added to make it a reality for any kind of travel, other then a simple commute.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by fastball

Why? Why exactly would a full electric Camaro be so cool? I don’t care if it goes 0-60 instantaneously. Electric takes ALL the fun out of it. An electric car is the same whether it’s a Tesla, Camaro, or Nissan. There’s no personality to the car. There’s nothing unique. There’s nothing to look at or work on when you open the hood or go underneath. It’s an electric motor and batteries. Big ****ing deal.

Listen to my electric motor when I fire it up

You and protovack are carrying on a very intriguing conversation. I understand where you are going with your argument and wholeheartedly applaud the American spirit you represent, minor fallacies and exaggerations aside. To me, electric cars feel like theme park bumper cars that are really fast off the line.

Number 3 did make a valid point in that your beef is not actually with electric cars, however, I also see them as a(nother) manifestation of stripping freedoms from people, not negligibly because future electric powertrains are invariably mated with increasing self-driving capability, which will then invariably imply centralized monitoring and control, if only for "optimized routing, resource usage and traffic patterns" or "ensuring better highway safety and zero fatalities". These aren't unworthy goals in themselves, but I don't believe in surrendering responsibility, liberty and control to gain some safety.

(As a side note, I'm from Eastern Europe, and during the first four decades of my life I spent there I never even once thought of cars and driving as anything interesting or beyond "point A to point B", in fact I had to think about how to even pop the hood on my cars with their meager 1.2-1.4L engines that I considered more than sufficient.

Here, as I feel, the car culture is still permeating society and is more than palpable, I fell in a very surprising love with it, and would very much hate to see cars become appliances. Some may say resistance is futile, but then no freedoms are ever awarded, they're always fought for and often come at a high price.

Hope this is still okay to post and pardon me for the litte digression. Oh, and I had to check wikipedia to find out who Yanni is, but my taste in music is more diverse than most hardcore types would approve of. And I have the A8 on my 2SS, even though I drove nothing but stick back in Europe. People are complex )

[protovack]

Originally Posted by fastball

Why? Why exactly would a full electric Camaro be so cool? I don’t care if it goes 0-60 instantaneously. Electric takes ALL the fun out of it. An electric car is the same whether it’s a Tesla, Camaro, or Nissan. There’s no personality to the car. There’s nothing unique. There’s nothing to look at or work on when you open the hood or go underneath. It’s an electric motor and batteries. Big ****ing deal.

Listen to my electric motor when I fire it up

I agree!

But just to play devils advocate...

Does your internal combustion weed wacker have "soul"?
Lawn mower?
Air compressor?

At the end of the day, an engine is just an engine. It serves to transmit power to the wheels.Yes there is something magical about the ICE because it involves explosions and fire. But isn't the movement of the electron just as magical?

I happen to think it is NOT as magical because with the ICE you are unlocking the chemical energy right "inside" the machine it is powering. Whereas with electricity, the energy has already been extracted, and now its just being moved around. From a battery, to an engine, to the wheels.

The energy extraction and application are no longer in the same place.

[Jeb114]

The Government is going to shove electric cars down your throat whether you like it or not. Did you know if we stayed in the Paris Accords mandatory fuel taxes were going to make gas by 2030 $49 dollars a gallon. So you stop using it. That's why Paris is burning.

[WCKD 1LE]

Originally Posted by YARBIE 1

This is why my 17 2SS is my last car I'm buying. I love the sound and power.
If you've ever rode in a Tesla, it suxxxxxxxxxxxxx ass.

We're in the last decade of muscle cars with badass V8's which really really sux.

Apparently the one you rode in was not in Insane Mode.

[6spdhyperblue]

You mean ludicrous?

[V8 Firebird]

I know it's two years ago article, but it seems 7th gen is going to full electric

[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

The Government is going to shove electric cars down your throat whether you like it or not. Did you know if we stayed in the Paris Accords mandatory fuel taxes were going to make gas by 2030 $49 dollars a gallon. So you stop using it. That's why Paris is burning.

In most of Europe and Asia all liquid hydrocarbon fuels are imported, which is a HUGE cashflow drain on their economies. So they have huge petrol and ICE displacement taxes and are ramming electric down their own throats for their own economic survival.

In the 'states we have our own sources of fossil fuels (today's crude oil price crash not withstanding) and we have a HUGE export economy for refined hydrocarbon fuels. There is zero rational economic reason for the US Govt to shut down the oil industry any time soon. Improve it? Sure. But liquid hydrocarbon based fuels are not going anywhere until the energy density of battery storage improves at least to the point where you can drive a BEV 500 miles w/o recharge and then recharge it at least 50% in under 5 minutes. This is at least 10+ years off, likely closer to 25-50 with carbon-air and other future high-density energy storage technologies which I will likely never see in my lifetime.

Interesting video on the subject: