09-16-2019, 09:30 PM | #15 | |
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This is my first Camaro since 1994 (which was also a 1LE), and the Shelby is only my second Mustang. Almost all of my other performance cars in the last 20 years have all been Corvette’s. Having a daughter now forced the back seat. Now that being said the Shelby has never surprised me on track. It has done exactly what I have asked it to do, and I never thought I needed to push it past the limits for a weekend at the track for zero gain and a possible totaled car....there is no $25,000 prize or girls and TV cameras if you win a local HPDE event. The C6Z I had before my daughter was born....it commanded a bit more respect as it could very easily over power itself in just about any situation if you decided to beat on it for no good reason and didn’t know what you were getting into. The 1LE hasn’t been on track and I haven’t really pushed the car other than a few blasts through the gears to see how it feels...no hard braking into a corner or sliding it around on track but maybe by the end of the year. The quality...GM has (in my opinion) always been a step up over Ford and Chrysler so it didn’t come to any surprise on that. Again my Shelby has been pretty solid. No paint issues other than the dealer marking it up during prep which still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Knock on wood it doesn’t have the rear bumper sag that some have seen, but I expect I’ll have to fix that at some point. The body gaps, while I understand people complaining about it...and it isn’t an excuse.....Ford spent $$ on other things like a different trans, suspension, engine, and other parts to make sure it wasn’t a wheel/tire/decal package. Which GM loves to do on their stuff. It would be much easier to copy a 1LE off a base SS than it would a GT350 off a base 5.0. Sucks you didn’t have the same good things with your Shelby as I have, and like the rest of us have seen the bad reviews and experiences. Same could be said for my C6Z too...it never gave me any issues in the 80k miles I put on it but others had dropped valves and broken engines in less than 20k along with other issues.. I do think if I had to choose just one, and it was my only car the Camaro would have gotten the choice over the Shelby. |
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09-17-2019, 11:25 AM | #16 |
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I am curious to hear your thoughts after taking the 1LE to the track. You will likely say the GT350 is or at least seems a bit faster.
The 1LE brake pads are what give you the disappointing brake grab feel. They are a compromise for street/track and endurance. Once you bed them in and get them up to temp, they feel just fine on track - otherwise they feel a bit numb, yeah. The Mustang GT and EB (PP) brakes are, in my opinion, excessively grabby for a street car to me - very, very annoying in traffic. The GT350 is about perfect. |
09-17-2019, 11:38 AM | #17 |
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That splitter on the GT350 looks like a nightmare to live with on the street. My local dealer has one on the lot with the splitter removed, I guess they got tired of test drivers mangling it.
On the 1LE getting more attention: I think the wrapped hood and big wheels really make the Camaro stand out as a track car that looks like one. The Shelby looks awesome to me, but I gotta admit it's almost indistinguishable from the 5.0s on the lot. For that kind of cash upgrade over a 1LE I might want a little more visual pop. |
09-17-2019, 12:35 PM | #18 | |
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09-17-2019, 02:36 PM | #19 | |
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Going to try and get it on track before the end of the year with any luck. I don't see much point in stressing me and the car out in 100 degree Texas heat. I'm sure it is mostly a pad compound but having been working in the performance sector as long as I have...the Shelby is one of the few cars that can go right from the dealer to the track with no changes. Yes it should have a better alignment and it needs better brake fluid but for most it can do it no questions asked. Even the cars at the Shelby school run stock pads. Given they both put out about the same amount of dust...I would have figured a bit more bite for the mess.. It would be nice if GM would do that for the 1LE crowd....the driving school that is, like they do for the Vette's. |
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09-17-2019, 03:13 PM | #20 |
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GT350 factory alignment is only -1* camber, just like the 1LE. Assuming it comes with DOT3 fluid also.
Can you adjust front camber stock on the GT350, or do you have to get eccentric bolts?
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09-17-2019, 08:24 PM | #21 | |
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I have a set of Vorshlag plates for the GT350 and will probably do the same for the Camaro. |
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09-17-2019, 09:03 PM | #22 |
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I love how the GT350 looks..... when I pass them on track! Seriously it was my 1st choice for a track car until I found the 1LE for 25K less
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09-18-2019, 05:02 AM | #23 |
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I always wondered of why no car magazine has compared the Camaro SS1LE VS the Shelby GT350. Besides the big cost difference, I think that they are very similar performance wise.
C&D did a H2H of the Shelby GT350 VS the Corvette Stingray Z51, the performance numbers and the lap times of the C7 Corvette were better, but the votes were given to the Shelby because of the driving feeling. When I was shopping around for a car to replace my loved 5th.gen Camaro ZL1, I test drove the Shelby GT350, from outside without the stripes the car looked very similar to any Mustang GT. The high RPM and marvelous exhaust sound were very addictive, but I didn't want to paid the high markup for those cars, instead I went and bought a C7 Corvette Stingray Z51. Comparing my Camaros and my Corvette to the Shelby, I didn't felt I missed something, both of my chevy cars felt quicker on the street from a standing stop, only the higher exhaust noise was the big difference on the Shelby. For the money I would prefer the 6th gen ZL1 to a Shelby GT350R. For some reason I think that car magazine writers have over stated the Shelbys.
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09-18-2019, 08:36 AM | #24 | |
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A bit of clearancing at the strut will usually get at or past -3*
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09-18-2019, 09:06 AM | #25 | |
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You should time them from 0 to 60, 70 - 130, and 1/4 to see which one is actually faster, I'd be a cool comparison that doesn't happen often. I suspect the 1le will be better at stand still stuff and the gt350 is faster once they're already rolling at speed.
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09-18-2019, 09:21 AM | #27 | |
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Plus I can tell you for certain that these cars don't really care about lapping when it is 110 degrees out and full sun. |
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09-18-2019, 10:14 AM | #28 | |
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