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IMadeYouReadThis · 10-02-2017, 06:25 PM

I was very surprised to read this. I guess we knew for a while this was on the way it's just crazy to hear it from the horse's mouth.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f2c7077a2d9c

Stormcloak · 10-02-2017, 06:44 PM

Buy whatever sports car you want now, because enjoyable vehicles are soon going to be relics.

ron123 · 10-02-2017, 07:32 PM

Back To The Future:
"Electric automobiles are nothing new. They actually have a rich history in the US and, at one point, were even the dominant type of car in the late 1800's and early 1900's."
http://www.businessinsider.com/elect...-early-1900s-1

GM is just dialing back the clock about a century in their corporate offices and looking in their old file cabinets.
The Astronauts in the 1960's and 1970's drove around in electric cars on the Moon. 100% of the cars on the moon are electric. ;-)

Our current engines are going the way of the steam engines.

IMadeYouReadThis · 10-02-2017, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron123

Back To The Future:
"Electric automobiles are nothing new. They actually have a rich history in the US and, at one point, were even the dominant type of car in the late 1800's and early 1900's."
http://www.businessinsider.com/elect...-early-1900s-1

GM is just dialing back the clock about a century in their corporate offices and looking in their old file cabinets.
The Astronauts in the 1960's and 1970's drove around in electric cars on the Moon. 100% of the cars on the moon are electric. ;-)

That is insanely impressive they were making electric vehicles in 1899 I had no idea

5thGenOwner · 10-02-2017, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormcloak

Buy whatever sports car you want now, because enjoyable vehicles are soon going to be relics.

We are also moving quickly to 'autonomous' too... so someday (maybe sooner than we expect) someone is going to utter the following: "What! You had to buy your car, back then? And you had to drive it yourself? And it ran on gasoline?"

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

That is insanely impressive they were making electric vehicles in 1899 I had no idea

Yep, most of the 'electric' crazy crowd doesn't know it either. Most of them also don't have a clue where that electricity comes from, that they charge their cars up with (as they sit and wait), or where the toxic elements in the battery are mined. Ignorance is bliss to some. /rantoff

94z28inok · 10-02-2017, 10:15 PM

Just wow.... I still don't see the advantage of electric vehicles. You're right, Where do they think that "clean" power comes from... Just sticking their heads in the sand and letting everyone know how much better they are for it. Not to mention the excessive pollution of the manufacturing processes for some batteries/parts. Hydrogen? 1/3 the efficiency of electric? And some other EV owners talking about 1 to 2 hour charge for 14 or 15 miles of driving? Are you kidding me? Im sure we will get there at some point and have some sweet cars still, but this is retarded. What about people who travel. People whos jobs require 6 or 800 miles in one day to get to a jobsite. I can't wait hours for a charge to get 200 miles at a time. Hasn't this global warming crap been disproved enough times yet to quit using that as an excuse for this crap technology?

Don't get me wrong, I understand the pollution, the oil dependency, etc etc etc. I just don't think the world is close enough to ready for this kind of change yet. Let alone the electric usage increase/cost/infrastructure. The benefits will not even equal out at this point. Power failures due to over stressed grids, weather, acts of war, or any other bs. I'll take my chances with a full tank of gasoline.

Hell just a quick search on Telsa website shows 300 miles for just under 9 HOURS for Model S and 10 for a Model X. Nobody I know has time for that. Seriously first time looking into it. I was really starting to see more and more of these cars on the road and liking the looks of them as hard core Chevy V8 as I've always been. This just killed it for me before even really checking their cars out...

Also a lot of arguments about electric becoming more renewable/ wind solar/ etc. Why does my bill keep going up and up and up with so many wind mills nearby? Have yet to see any savings. Another post stated one state was giving its power to neighboring states because they weren't consuming all that was being produced. Giving it away. But the consumers don't see that in their bill do they?

gringo · 10-03-2017, 06:06 AM

I find that hard to believe. What are they going to do with the ever so popular heavy duty trucks?

Spurshot · 10-03-2017, 06:46 AM

Believe it.

We are screwing our way into extinction. In the past 100 years, we’ve increased the world population by 3 1/2 times. More efficient cars are just a drop in the bucket of what people in a couple generations will have to do. How about limited numbers of cars by issuing limited numbers of permits that cost $70k just for the permit? It’s a reality today in Singapore. Young people will see drastic changes in the way we live in their lifetime.

https://www.populationmatters.org/th...SAAEgKeq_D_BwE

christianchevell · 10-03-2017, 06:55 AM

And the population of the US fairly flat other than immigrants as those who don't give a rip screw til they drop and overpopulate.....so they can take over the world with their progeny.... Yes alternative fuels have been squashed by big fuel and the government controlling us....anyone remember a certain fellow making a engine that could get like forever per mile of water......oh that's right its was so brief he showed it off then was immediately squashed in the press and killed and his invention disappeared........

John_C · 10-03-2017, 07:18 AM

Not interested. I'll vote with my wallet wherever I can. Even if I have to build and/or maintain my old hotrods and make my own fuel. lol

lbls1 · 10-03-2017, 07:37 AM

I believe it, but it saddens me. We are almost at the point where it doesn't matter which car you would buy, as they all basically do the same thing and they are all disposable. The death of combustion engines means the death of all of the character we've grown to know from automobiles; It means the death of Camaro, Corvette, Sierra Denali, Silverado, Tahoe, Suburban, CTS-V and any other meaningful GM product.

If and when this happens, I will no longer buy GM products. I might as well buy Toyota or Honda, as these companies have had a greater hold on electric products, and have good reputations.

Spurshot · 10-03-2017, 07:58 AM

Tesla type plug in cars are just a stepping stone. The electric drive technology development was the valuable product of plug in cars. Straight plug ins are unsustainable and have limitations of range and recharge time. But in the past 20 years, we’ve seen battery technology jump beyond gains made in the internal combustion engine over a century.

gen5dewy · 10-03-2017, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by John_C

Not interested. I'll vote with my wallet wherever I can. Even if I have to build and/or maintain my old hotrods and make my own fuel. lol

Thats not a bad idea. Hell E85 is basically moonshine with some gas in it. It's renewable and easyish to make

Olddudesrule · 10-03-2017, 08:28 AM

It's called inevitablity....like it or not, it WILL happen whether it's 50 or 100 years down the road. I'm enjoying the ride as long as I can afford to.....love the renaissance of the muscle car!

10-02-2017, 06:25 PM	#1
IMadeYouReadThis Drives: 02 Camaro SS 6M / 11 GMC Sierra Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Pickering, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,096 View My Garage	General Motors announces the end of the internal combustion engine is coming I was very surprised to read this. I guess we knew for a while this was on the way it's just crazy to hear it from the horse's mouth. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f2c7077a2d9c

10-02-2017, 06:44 PM	#2
Stormcloak slower than you Drives: 2012 C6 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: NY Posts: 668 View My Garage	Buy whatever sports car you want now, because enjoyable vehicles are soon going to be relics. __________________

10-02-2017, 07:32 PM	#3
ron123 Drives: 2014 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,053	Back To The Future: "Electric automobiles are nothing new. They actually have a rich history in the US and, at one point, were even the dominant type of car in the late 1800's and early 1900's." http://www.businessinsider.com/elect...-early-1900s-1 GM is just dialing back the clock about a century in their corporate offices and looking in their old file cabinets. The Astronauts in the 1960's and 1970's drove around in electric cars on the Moon. 100% of the cars on the moon are electric. ;-) Our current engines are going the way of the steam engines. __________________ 2014 2SS/RS, Z28 CAI and High Wing Spoiler, ZL1 5.1:1 Ratio Short-Throw Shifter, ZL1 Pedals, ZL1 splash guards, NPP Dual-mode quad tip exhaust, Z28 strut tower brace, Camaro LED Cup-holders with footwell Lighting option, Leather visors, and Leather E-brake boot. Chevy dealer sponsored 67 retro SS nose stripe package. Last edited by ron123; 10-02-2017 at 07:57 PM.

10-02-2017, 10:15 PM	#6
94z28inok Camaro- Life Member Drives: 15 Camaro 2SS/RS, 19 Tahoe Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 156	Just wow.... I still don't see the advantage of electric vehicles. You're right, Where do they think that "clean" power comes from... Just sticking their heads in the sand and letting everyone know how much better they are for it. Not to mention the excessive pollution of the manufacturing processes for some batteries/parts. Hydrogen? 1/3 the efficiency of electric? And some other EV owners talking about 1 to 2 hour charge for 14 or 15 miles of driving? Are you kidding me? Im sure we will get there at some point and have some sweet cars still, but this is retarded. What about people who travel. People whos jobs require 6 or 800 miles in one day to get to a jobsite. I can't wait hours for a charge to get 200 miles at a time. Hasn't this global warming crap been disproved enough times yet to quit using that as an excuse for this crap technology? Don't get me wrong, I understand the pollution, the oil dependency, etc etc etc. I just don't think the world is close enough to ready for this kind of change yet. Let alone the electric usage increase/cost/infrastructure. The benefits will not even equal out at this point. Power failures due to over stressed grids, weather, acts of war, or any other bs. I'll take my chances with a full tank of gasoline. Hell just a quick search on Telsa website shows 300 miles for just under 9 HOURS for Model S and 10 for a Model X. Nobody I know has time for that. Seriously first time looking into it. I was really starting to see more and more of these cars on the road and liking the looks of them as hard core Chevy V8 as I've always been. This just killed it for me before even really checking their cars out... Also a lot of arguments about electric becoming more renewable/ wind solar/ etc. Why does my bill keep going up and up and up with so many wind mills nearby? Have yet to see any savings. Another post stated one state was giving its power to neighboring states because they weren't consuming all that was being produced. Giving it away. But the consumers don't see that in their bill do they? __________________ 15 2SS/RS LS3 M6 Summit white 16 200 40mpg Vivid Blue Pearl 19 Tahoe 5.3 Boring Grey 91 Camaro RS 305 TBI 700R4 85 Corvette - TBD 05 Envoy 4.2 4x4 Last edited by 94z28inok; 10-02-2017 at 10:36 PM.

10-03-2017, 06:46 AM	#8
Spurshot Drives: 2014 2SS blue Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Socal Posts: 689	Believe it. We are screwing our way into extinction. In the past 100 years, we’ve increased the world population by 3 1/2 times. More efficient cars are just a drop in the bucket of what people in a couple generations will have to do. How about limited numbers of cars by issuing limited numbers of permits that cost $70k just for the permit? It’s a reality today in Singapore. Young people will see drastic changes in the way we live in their lifetime. https://www.populationmatters.org/th...SAAEgKeq_D_BwE __________________ Last edited by Spurshot; 10-03-2017 at 06:58 AM.

10-03-2017, 06:06 AM	#7
gringo Account Suspended Drives: Camaro V6 Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: U.S. Posts: 1,722	I find that hard to believe. What are they going to do with the ever so popular heavy duty trucks?

10-03-2017, 06:55 AM	#9
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	And the population of the US fairly flat other than immigrants as those who don't give a rip screw til they drop and overpopulate.....so they can take over the world with their progeny.... Yes alternative fuels have been squashed by big fuel and the government controlling us....anyone remember a certain fellow making a engine that could get like forever per mile of water......oh that's right its was so brief he showed it off then was immediately squashed in the press and killed and his invention disappeared........ __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

10-03-2017, 07:18 AM	#10
John_C LSx FTW!!! Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS RS Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: TN Posts: 767	Not interested. I'll vote with my wallet wherever I can. Even if I have to build and/or maintain my old hotrods and make my own fuel. lol __________________ 2010 2SS RS A6 781rwhp on E85 Stage 2 ProCharger D1X Circle D 3400 Triple Disc Kooks Jet Hot Headers Kooks Full 3in exhaust Trick Flow GenX 255's Polished PAC .660's & Ti-retainers TSP VVT 3.2 cam kit w/DoD Delete Smith Bro's Trunnion kit AEM X-Series OBDII Widebands FIC ID1300x Injectors GM ZL1 High Output Fuel Pump DSX Tuning Flex Sensor DSX Auxiliary Fuel System Tim King Stage 4 Max Effort CTSV 6L90 DSS 1 piece aluminum driveshaft JRE 6L80E / 6L90E Dipstick NGK Iridium IX spark plugs #7 heat range Mighty Mouse Camaro 5 Wild w/-12an and Billet Black HP Tuners VCM Suite

10-03-2017, 07:37 AM	#11
lbls1 Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 4,021	I believe it, but it saddens me. We are almost at the point where it doesn't matter which car you would buy, as they all basically do the same thing and they are all disposable. The death of combustion engines means the death of all of the character we've grown to know from automobiles; It means the death of Camaro, Corvette, Sierra Denali, Silverado, Tahoe, Suburban, CTS-V and any other meaningful GM product. If and when this happens, I will no longer buy GM products. I might as well buy Toyota or Honda, as these companies have had a greater hold on electric products, and have good reputations. __________________ '02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B '08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic '15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo *'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic*

10-03-2017, 07:58 AM	#12
Spurshot Drives: 2014 2SS blue Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Socal Posts: 689	Tesla type plug in cars are just a stepping stone. The electric drive technology development was the valuable product of plug in cars. Straight plug ins are unsustainable and have limitations of range and recharge time. But in the past 20 years, we’ve seen battery technology jump beyond gains made in the internal combustion engine over a century. __________________

10-03-2017, 08:28 AM	#14
Olddudesrule Resident nomad Drives: 2014 Summit White 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,765	It's called inevitablity....like it or not, it WILL happen whether it's 50 or 100 years down the road. I'm enjoying the ride as long as I can afford to.....love the renaissance of the muscle car! __________________ Sold: 2007 Z06 2002 Viper GTS/ACR 2003 Z06 1965 FFR Cobra 2012 Nissan 370Z ADM LSA Stage II, Roto-Fab CAI, Kooks LTH/HFC's, Phastek CC, ported TB, Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler, BC Racing ER Series CO's, JPSS 32mm Black Magic rear bar, JPSS front inserts, R1 Concepts Premier slotted rotors/Goodrich SS lines, Schroth ASM harness, MGW flatstick, Brey-Krause HB, Tuned by NicD, at Cordes Performance Racing.