[Devstrike]

Well I guess we will see who wins consumer money talks. Good luck to either side.

[Rock-It Man]

Originally Posted by taylorforschool@gmail.com

And my post only suggested they were shifting their focus away from an entirely EV commitment as of late, to one that clearly includes a future development of ICE. I didn’t mean to suggest this was an admission by GM they were doing any less Ev, just surprised they invested so much in ICE considering their approach the last few years

Obviously, EVs will not entirely replace ICE for more than 10 years. In the meantime, GM has hit the wall on making pushrod V8s more powerful and efficient. To take full advantage of computer controlled direct injection, it's necessary to vary intake and exhaust valve timing independent of each other.

So it's long past time to retire the single cam pushrod architecture.

[cthulhucaller]

I also did my small part with the survey I got after buying a 2022 SS. Not interested in an electric vehicle to replace a Camaro with.

Once electric vehicles become less smug, I'd consider something to run around town with, but I'm not sure that will happen any time soon.

[Rock-It Man]

Originally Posted by cthulhucaller

I also did my small part with the survey I got after buying a 2022 SS. Not interested in an electric vehicle to replace a Camaro with.

Once electric vehicles become less smug, I'd consider something to run around town with, but I'm not sure that will happen any time soon.

I also got this survey and I replied that I'm not planning to buy an EV any time soon. The charging infrastructure is nowhere near ready for enabling road trips, and the price of EVs is not competitive, even considering the grocery getting niche.

I will consider any non-plug-in hybrid grocery getter that improves mileage at a competitive price to the many sub-2 liter micro SUV options out there. Right now I have a 1.3 liter Trax that gets a real 35 mpg in mostly urban driving, and it was dirt cheap to buy. It's light and tiny and reliable and easy to park and there's no reason to replace it with a EV

I will also consider any non-plug-in hybrid muscle car that gains performance over ICE equivalents that are similarly priced.

One more point, though. EV supercars are so quick that ICE performance vehicles have been rendered irrelevant. What's the point of a V-8 Camaro? Any performance oriented EV or hybrid will kick its ass. I love the look of the Camaro but maybe I will replace my Gen5 V8 with a Gen6 V6.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by digitalfutur

The transition to EVs will be gradual, so it makes sense to invest in ICE technology during that transition.

And I see we have the usual I-personally-don't-like-EVs-so-they-just-won't-work illogical leap into industry wide failure. Human smarts and ingenuity don't suddenly disappear because YOU don't like the technology. If there's money to be made, and there is, the issues will get figured out.

That is the history of technological progress, notwithstanding the defeatist attitude of the naysayers. Same luddites, different century.

As a driving enthusiast, i prefer a manual transmission even though they’ve solved the problem of shifting gears. I chose the manual transmission because of how it adds to the interaction between driver and machine, I like that experience even though it makes my car slower and get worse mpg, am I a Luddite?

[Casper the friendly G]

Originally Posted by genxer

F**k no to dohcs.
I'm holding a glimmer of hope they'll make a killer v6.

The V6 is a DOHC.

[classicrockr]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

The V8 will still exist in trucks and maybe the Mustang after this Mustang gen. Thank the Pickup truck crowd at least we can still have V8s to drop in things from them not budging and complying to EV. Some will but from what I have seen a lot won't.

That dark horse looks pretty good

[N Camarolina]

Originally Posted by Rock-It Man

One more point, though. EV supercars are so quick that ICE performance vehicles have been rendered irrelevant. What's the point of a V-8 Camaro? Any performance oriented EV or hybrid will kick its ass. I love the look of the Camaro but maybe I will replace my Gen5 V8 with a Gen6 V6.

Of course EV cars are quick in a straight line, and yes, faster than most ICE powered vehicles ever could be (at least to around 100mph) given they have so much torque. But is straight line speed the only thing that matters in a performance car? I'd argue H*ll No.

For me, its how they sound, how they handle in the corners, and how they make you feel. Almost every performance minded journalist who reviews EVs says the same thing: They are fast in a straight line, but they have no soul. Plus, the fast in a straight line thing can get old kind of quick. Now, maybe something like a Porsche Tican gets you much closer to the kind of perfomance car we used to, but it's quite heavy and it still doesn't have the sound to complete the experience.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Hmmm, GM, or Toyota.

Which one is making the correct bet? GM, who had to be bailed out by the government and has shed market share 13 of the last 18 years or Toyota which has gained market share 11 of the last 18 years?

Of the top 25 best selling vehicles in the US:

GM - 3
Toyota - 6

I wouldn't count on GM knowing what consumers want to buy.

And lets not forget how many brakes killed people in Toyota along with all the other recalls.

You live in with a GM, you die in a Toyota.

[90503]

Part of the rationale for transitioning to EVs was that ICE technology had suddenly peaked out and nothing better with ICE was feasible or worth pursuing. Remember that little pearl of "wisdom"? This had been determined back in 2017 or whenever the big decision to go all EV was supposedly made...lol

This new ICE V-8 must be a real dog, or at least nothing to get real excited about. If they tout it as an "improvement" then Winston Smith will have a new assignment real soon.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by 90503

Part of the rationale for transitioning to EVs was that ICE technology had suddenly peaked out and nothing better with ICE was feasible or worth pursuing. Remember that little pearl of "wisdom"? This had been determined back in 2017 or whenever the big decision to go all EV was supposedly made...lol

This new ICE V-8 must be a real dog. If they tout it as an "improvement" then Winston Smith will have a new assignment real soon.

These Gen VI V8's are mostly due to new emission regulations coming in 2027. And if they are indeed DOHC, it's mostly due to big displacement engines having poor cold start emissions. Plus other limitations placed by the OHV and single cam architecture.

[90503]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

These Gen VI V8's are mostly due to new emission regulations coming in 2027. And if they are indeed DOHC, it's mostly due to big displacement engines having poor cold start emissions. Plus other limitations placed by the OHV and single cam architecture.

Then this new gen of ICE v-8s should also be described for it's main purpose: A band-aid for the unnecessary and arbitrary destruction of an industry and technology.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by 90503

Then this new gen of ICE v-8s should also be described for it's main purpose: A band-aid for the unnecessary and arbitrary destruction of an industry and technology.

Yep. This is about an inability to meet government regulations, not an inability to provide what consumers demand.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by 90503

Then this new gen of ICE v-8s should also be described for it's main purpose: A band-aid for the unnecessary and arbitrary destruction of an industry and technology.

Right.....

Cause an engine that could make more power, burns less fuel, and runs cleaner than the current version is destruction to the industry and technology.....

Were you like this when they went to fuel injection? Addition of cats? iPhone debut? iPad?