[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yet isn't that what your beloved Evans did when he ran his infamous 11.8? And wasn't Cars.com the go to when they did their miracle GT run? Now all of a sudden you call them into question? The more you talk the more you sink...but go ahead and keep talking.

I'm still waiting for a review any review which shows the SS running an 11-second pass. Its been what 4 model years now , need more time?

But lets get back to some facts.

Presently the SS is slowest out of the big 3 in the quarter mile (if you want to argue manual vs automatic times have at it but we typically compare the fastest version), with the 1320, and GT ahead. In the supercharged versions ZL1 is presently behind the HC, RE, and soon GT500. So in all of these cases the Camaro is bringing up the rear.

[6spdhyperblue]

Man it must feel good to finally be able to say that

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Presently the SS is slowest out of the big 3 in the quarter mile (if you want to argue manual vs automatic times have at it but we typically compare the fastest version), with the 1320, and GT ahead. In the supercharged versions ZL1 is presently behind the HC, RE, and soon GT500. So in all of these cases the Camaro is bringing up the rear.

And yet, the Camaro is the only one that hasn't really changed their vehicles.... FCA has pumped out multiple new models... with different options..

Ford has pumped out radical changes to their car over the last 2 years...

Meanwhile, the 6th gen Camaro has changed only the transmission (and that god awful fascia)..

Camaro didnt need 4 years to put out their unicorn.... FCA didnt need 4 years to put out their unicorn...

And, let's be honest here... the Camaro has never had the all out time trial to get a sub 11 time like the Mustang did. Hell, people barely even bother to drive the standard SS anymore for a review...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I'm still waiting for a review any review which shows the SS running an 11-second pass. Its been what 4 model years now , need more time?

But lets get back to some facts.

Presently the SS is slowest out of the big 3 in the quarter mile (if you want to argue manual vs automatic times have at it but we typically compare the fastest version), with the 1320, and GT ahead. In the supercharged versions ZL1 is presently behind the HC, RE, and soon GT500. So in all of these cases the Camaro is bringing up the rear.

Is that real math or Mustang math?

[rocket403]

Camaro is bringing up the rear and sales for 18 show that, we will need to see if that continues for 19

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by rocket403

Camaro is bringing up the rear and sales for 18 show that, we will need to see if that continues for 19

Camaro sales are always gonna suck. That is because GM has way too many options for those who want performance. They have the Vette which takes away from Camaro sales. And then they have high performance Caddy sedans which offer impressive performance, comfort, luxury, roominess, storage, etc. The Camaro is and always has been more of a second vehicle or a toy. So Camaro sales will never be phenomenal. But they seem to always be enough to justify it's continued existence and that is what matters most.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

And yet, the Camaro is the only one that hasn't really changed their vehicles.... FCA has pumped out multiple new models... with different options..

Ford has pumped out radical changes to their car over the last 2 years...

Meanwhile, the 6th gen Camaro has changed only the transmission (and that god awful fascia)..

Camaro didnt need 4 years to put out their unicorn.... FCA didnt need 4 years to put out their unicorn...

And, let's be honest here... the Camaro has never had the all out time trial to get a sub 11 time like the Mustang did. Hell, people barely even bother to drive the standard SS anymore for a review...

And that my friend is why Chevy is behind the others.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And that my friend is why Chevy is behind the others.

Funny how when Chevy is "behind" it is a driver's race. When Ford was behind it was by half a second. Even now you admit that both cars are dependant on driver and conditions and it could go either way. But before the massive revision the GT desperately needed it wasn't even a competition. And even with the PP1, it got body slammed so hard that it should not even be competing in the same class as the SLE. It needed a serious overhaul just to keep up and after all that it overheated. The GT500 is already full of fail since it had to be limited to 180 MPH AND it took 4 years to still come in 37 HP less than the Redeye which showed up a year before the GT500 is available. So your only bragging rights are that the GT is faster by a driver's race than the SS and that is at it's best in ideal conditions with the best drivers behind the wheel and only Cars.Com was able to manage that feat. I'm not even taking Evans run seriously BTW. So you don't really have anything to brag about dude.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I have no problem with cars.com. They do test a little differently than C&D, MT, R&T, etc. They reduce tire pressure for improved traction and run on prepped dragstrips, I believe. The mags put the tire pressure at the manuf. recommended pressures and run on street type surfaces, from my recollection.

If Cars.com is ruled out, so is Evan Smith's 11.8 GT A10 pass making the GT* a 12s car also.

You referenced C&D as the measure for the Redeye in your initial post. It was C&D that published these numbers, as a group, in their 19 review

GT A10
0-60 : 3.8 sec
1/4: 12.1 @ 120

SS A10
0-60: 3.9
1/4: 12.2 @ 118

GT M6
0-60: 4.3 sec
1/4: 12.6 @ 115

SS M6
0-60: 4.0 sec
1/4: 12.2 @ ?

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And that my friend is why Chevy is behind the others.

Or maybe the fact that you can buy a 2019 GT for 27k has something to do with it. Or that Mustangs literally cover rental car lots like flies on turds.

Let's get back to the GT500. None of us Camaro owners here care much for the GT or the 350.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by hotlap

If Cars.com is ruled out, so is Evan Smith's 11.8 GT A10 pass making the GT* a 12s car also.

You referenced C&D as the measure for the Redeye in your initial post. It was C&D that published these numbers, as a group, in their 19 review

GT A10
0-60 : 3.8 sec
1/4: 12.1 @ 120

SS A10
0-60: 3.9
1/4: 12.2 @ 118

GT M6
0-60: 4.3 sec
1/4: 12.6 @ 115

SS M6
0-60: 4.0 sec
1/4: 12.2 @ ?

Don't mention the Bullitt to them. That will get their feelers really hurt.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Let's get back to the GT500. None of us Camaro owners here care much for the GT or the 350.

Quite a few around here claim they don’t care much for the 500 either but they damn sure can’t get the taste out of their tappers.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Quite a few around here claim they don’t care much for the 500 either but they damn sure can’t get the taste out of their tappers.

Well the 500 is the only Mustang worth talking about. Unless it manages to be a disappointment also in which case most of us here wont care much about it either.

[rocket403]

The Challenger 1320 ran an impressive 11.77 at 115