[chisox05]

I am going to be ordering a 22 ZL1 and was wondering if anyone knows if the copper free option is supposed to be less dust than the std pads

[Vigilante375]

Less dust? I'll say no. The copper in the pads was added to help dissipate the heat.

[Checkmate1]

I hear the 'copper free' pads don't stop as well as the regular pads.

[zapp]

This option is mandatory for California & Washington and was only added to be able to sell the ZL1/ZLE there again..

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...ia-washington/

[MatthewAMEL]

Originally Posted by Checkmate1

I hear the 'copper free' pads don't stop as well as the regular pads.

Exactly the opposite.


If you order the 'copper-free' you are getting the BW5 brakes. In multiple articles, it's mentioned Cadillac tested 60 compounds to get a pad that could handle ~800 laps on track.


It's a Brembo pad...not a Ferodo.


I haven't seen anyone post that has that option yet. Hope they post pics of the caliper/rotor.


https://www.brembo.com/en/company/ne...ke-with-brembo

[Firecaptain]

Nothing more than a different pad......copper free.......




https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...86096-9999.pdf




https://thebrakereport.com/copper-fr...for-22-camaro/

[Jofu]

Originally Posted by Firecaptain

Nothing more than a different pad......copper free.......




https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...86096-9999.pdf




https://thebrakereport.com/copper-fr...for-22-camaro/

Thanks for those links! I just ordered a 2022 with the BCD option, so I'll be all good, but reading the PDF you linked to, specifically the last 2 FAQ items, it seems some people might be in for a bad surprise:

Question : To make a Camaro compliant with the Copper Free legislation, is it just a matter of changing
the brake pads?

In order to maintain the same braking performance, the brake components have to grow in size and therefore, brake pads compliant with copper free legislation will not fit on Camaro models with traditional
copper-containing linings.

Question : Is it possible to make a vehicle produced with copper-containing linings compliant with the
copper free regulation?

To upgrade a Camaro model previously produced with copper-containing linings to be compliant with copper free legislation, it will be necessary to replace, pads, rotors, calipers, brake shields and in most cases, a new EBCM calibration will also be required. For Camaro models that offer components that are compliant to the new copper free legislation, the cost to upgrade the brake system will range between $2,000 - $7,000,
depending on model.



Geoff

[MatthewAMEL]

Originally Posted by Firecaptain

Nothing more than a different pad......copper free.......




https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...86096-9999.pdf




https://thebrakereport.com/copper-fr...for-22-camaro/

Not what has been reported by others...


There was an earlier thread on this where someone went digging and discovered it's the same brake as the BW5.


https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showp...81&postcount=7


To be clear...the PDF you posted even says, it's not the standard brake with a different pad. It's a larger rotor/caliper and pad.

[GreenZLE]

Hopefully, aftermarket pads with copper will be available.

[Mountain]

RPO "BCD" is for the brake pads. For the Camaro, when you order "BCD" you automatically have to get/have "J6H".

"J6H" is the 390/365 (ZL1/1LE) rotor and caliper system.

From a dealer service bulletin on 2022MY Camaro and copper-free brakes:

Brake RPOs J6G & J6M – equipped on SS and SS 1LE Models:
For the 2022 model year, Camaro SS and SS equipped with the 1LE track package (RPO A1Y) produced for California and Washington State will use brake RPOs J6H & BCD. Camaro SS and SS equipped with the 1LE track package (RPO A1Y) for all other 48 states will continue to be produced with brake RPO J6G or J6M.

Brake RPO J6H – equipped on ZL1 & ZL1 1LE Models:
For the 2022 model year, Camaro ZL1 & ZL1 1LE models produced for California and Washington State will use brake RPOs J6H & BCD. RPO BCD is the indicator that the vehicle is equipped with Copper Free brake components. Camaro ZL1 and ZL1 1LE models for all other 48 states will continue to be produced with RPO J6H (without RPO BCD).

The description of "J6H" from the order official order guide:

Brakes, Brembo 6-piston front and 4-piston rear, performance, 4-wheel antilock, 4-wheel disc.
1 - Included and only available with (BCD) Performance copper-free brake system.

>"1" is directed at 1SS and 2SS as a note to "available".

The description of "BCD" from the order official order guide:

Performance copper-free brake system, includes (J6H) Brembo 6-piston front and 4-piston rear, performance, 4-wheel antilock, 4-wheel disc brakes.
1 - Required for Ship-to states of CA and WA. Not available with (WBL) Redline Edition or the following wheels: 56M, 56R, 56W, 57S.
2 - Required for Ship-to states of CA and WA. Not available with (B2E) Shock and Steel Special Edition, (WBL) Redline Edition or the following wheels: 56M, 56R, 56W, 57S.
3 - Required for Ship-to states of CA and WA.

>"1" is directed at 1SS as a note to "available".
>"2" is directed at 2SS as a note to "available".
>"3" is directed at ZL1 as a note to "available".
https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NA...page=6&butID=3

Short and skinny: on a 2022MY Camaro, if you check the "BCD" option on an SS or ZL1, you will get the 390mm/365mm system with copper-free pads.

[Jofu]

Originally Posted by Mountain

RPO "BCD" is for the brake pads. For the Camaro, when you order "BCD" you automatically have to get/have "J6H".

"J6H" is the 390/365 (ZL1/1LE) rotor and caliper system.

From a dealer service bulletin on 2022MY Camaro and copper-free brakes:


The description of "J6H" from the order official order guide:

>"1" is directed at 1SS and 2SS as a note to "available".

The description of "BCD" from the order official order guide:

>"1" is directed at 1SS as a note to "available".
>"2" is directed at 2SS as a note to "available".
>"3" is directed at ZL1 as a note to "available".
https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NA...page=6&butID=3

Short and skinny: on a 2022MY Camaro, if you check the "BCD" option on an SS or ZL1, you will get the 390mm/365mm system with copper-free pads.

It all makes sense. So the GM service bulletin (PDF file attached above) is really referring to someone who would not have the big brakes (J6H) in the first place, when they're talking about the expensive upgrade, yeah?

Geoff

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by Jofu

It all makes sense. So the GM service bulletin (PDF file attached above) is really referring to someone who would not have the big brakes (J6H) in the first place, when they're talking about the expensive upgrade, yeah?

Geoff

To upgrade a Camaro model previously produced with
copper-containing linings to be compliant with copper
free legislation, it will be necessary to replace, pads,
rotors, calipers, brake shields and in most cases, a new
EBCM calibration will also be required. For Camaro
models that offer components that are compliant to the
new copper free legislation, the cost to upgrade the
brake system will range between $2,000 - $7,000,
depending on model.

To upgrade a SS (J6G or J6M) to the ZL1 (J6H) brake hardware, it is around $2,000-$2,500 in parts. The LT/LS cars seem like more of a pad swap and probably ABS re-calibration*. I'm not sure if the "$2,000-$7,000" considers labor, as well.

*I think this is why the LT 1LE package/heavy-duty package option of LT's are listed to not be able to be compliant - GM likely needed a re-calibration and the business case (sales volume) didn't make sense. That or there is a capability issue with just swapping to the copper-free pads and track performance.

[Jofu]

Thanks!

[RapidBlueZLE]

Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL

Exactly the opposite.


If you order the 'copper-free' you are getting the BW5 brakes. In multiple articles, it's mentioned Cadillac tested 60 compounds to get a pad that could handle ~800 laps on track.


It's a Brembo pad...not a Ferodo.


I haven't seen anyone post that has that option yet. Hope they post pics of the caliper/rotor.


https://www.brembo.com/en/company/ne...ke-with-brembo

I ordered the copper free brakes because this is what i was told too and they said it should be better than standard when tracking the vehicle. when it gets built/delivered ill take a few pictures of the them.