[sr71bb]

Originally Posted by Smithpw1

Is this setup just straight ET22's? Any spacer? Camber plates? Love the look and I like the idea of a square setup.

Well I run that same set up myself with FOUR APEX SM-10 ET22 wheels that are 19 x 10.5 with MS 4S 305 30 19 tires on all four corners. I run this on a SS 1LE camaro and NO SPACERS are required but I had to grind a small part of the strut support bracket BACK to allow for a little more clearance to the INSIDE of the FRONT wheel. With at least -1.5 degrees FRONT Camber you WILL NOT have any tire poke at the top of the wheel well Rear clearance is FINE as well with -1.5 degrees camber no TOP tire poke either.

For TRACK I run FOUR APEX EC7 18 x 11 ET25 wheels and 305 660 18 Pirelli slicks all the way around normally. With THIS you WILL need a 5MM spacer on the FRONT but if you run Gorilla Extended length lug nuts then EXTENDED length front wheel studs are NOT needed.

Both these wheels are BMW specs meaning that you will need to run CONCENTRIC rings to accommodate our smaller hub centers.

You can get these cambers setting WITHOUT camber plates BUT if you start to really get into it then you would want something like VORSHLAG camber plates in front with -3.5 degrees camber and SPL rear toe rods so that you can set REAR negative camber to -2.5 degrees camber. I run these settings on BOTH my street and track tires but to avoid excessive tire wear you will need to run NEUTRAL on your TOE IN TOE OUT settings.

Small little tip here. On a track set up you WILL NOT want to run the APEX wheel Cap centers because with an aggressive wheel and tire setup with GREAT brakes like ZL1 1LE, you can generate enough heat especially with an 18 inch wheel set up to MELT the center caps.

[EK@ID]

Originally Posted by Smithpw1

Is this setup just straight ET22's? Any spacer? Camber plates? Love the look and I like the idea of a square setup.

In the front I had to grind a little bit off the strut(super easy) and run a 3mm spacer because I ran maxed front camber on a stock SS 1LE which is usually aorund 2.5. This didn't require extended studs or anything as I still got 7-8 turns on the stock lug nuts/studs and they torqued to factory spec.

I eventually added camber plates as well which basically gives you a bunch more room at the strut/wheel because you're adding camber up top instead of the strut bolts(factory camber adjustment). So, if you don't ever want to run spacers you can adjust the camber positive at the strut bolts and add camber plates to reach your desired negative camber amount. I don't think you'd even have to grind the strut if you added all your negative camber via the camber plates.

IMO square setup is basically a requirement on these cars as you'll destroy tires insanely fast on anything 200 treadwear or stickier. At the factory camber levels(2.5/2.0), I corded a set of Goodyear 3R's in 5 sessions and Hoosier A7's in 4. Having the ability to rotate tires on these heavy cars just prolongs tire life that little bit longer.

Happy motoring , oh and here is the track record I set on the wheels... https://youtu.be/G-9DaIUaWNk

[sr71bb]

Originally Posted by EK@ID

In the front I had to grind a little bit off the strut(super easy) and run a 3mm spacer because I ran maxed front camber on a stock SS 1LE which is usually aorund 2.5. This didn't require extended studs or anything as I still got 7-8 turns on the stock lug nuts/studs and they torqued to factory spec.

I eventually added camber plates as well which basically gives you a bunch more room at the strut/wheel because you're adding camber up top instead of the strut bolts(factory camber adjustment). So, if you don't ever want to run spacers you can adjust the camber positive at the strut bolts and add camber plates to reach your desired negative camber amount. I don't think you'd even have to grind the strut if you added all your negative camber via the camber plates.

IMO square setup is basically a requirement on these cars as you'll destroy tires insanely fast on anything 200 treadwear or stickier. At the factory camber levels(2.5/2.0), I corded a set of Goodyear 3R's in 5 sessions and Hoosier A7's in 4. Having the ability to rotate tires on these heavy cars just prolongs tire life that little bit longer.

Happy motoring , oh and here is the track record I set on the wheels... https://youtu.be/G-9DaIUaWNk

Ok 7 to 8 turns in not REALLY enough engagement. I was getting the same thing with 5MM spacer so I used a gorilla extended lug nut to get 11-12 turns. Below is the part number for the lugs.

[EK@ID]

Originally Posted by sr71bb

Ok 7 to 8 turns in not REALLY enough engagement. I was getting the same thing with 5MM spacer so I used a gorilla extended lug nut to get 11-12 turns. Below is the part number for the lugs.

It's enough, the car has seen many track days already and checked between sessions many times with no loosening. As long as it torques to spec, it's fine.

[sr71bb]

Originally Posted by EK@ID

It's enough, the car has seen many track days already and checked between sessions many times with no loosening. As long as it torques to spec, it's fine.

Well I cant really leave this alone because it is a safety issue. Our wheel studs are 14MM x 1.5 look at the manufacturers recommendation on the number of threads that SHOULD be engaged by the lug nut. 7-8 threads is NOT OK. It very clearly states 9.5 threads at a minimum for our size wheel stud.

https://www.drivenproducts.com/blogs...ead-engagement

There are numerous other charts will confirm the same thing. I witnessed an accident due to some lug nuts coming off a wheel at high speed so I take this very personally.

[RUQWIKR]

Typical validated engagement and typical competition rules require engagement equal to your stud size, so with M14x1.5, you need a bit over 9 turns to get 14mm of engagement. Various aftermarket rims often lose thread engage (or some might gain). Just measure your combo and be safe to what you personally feel or per the rules. For me, that's 14+mm of engagement on my Camaro.

NHRA for example: "The thread engagement on all wheel studs to the lug nut, or lug bolts to wheel hubs, must be equivalent to or greater than the diameter of the stud/bolt."

[EK@ID]

Originally Posted by sr71bb

Well I cant really leave this alone because it is a safety issue. Our wheel studs are 14MM x 1.5 look at the manufacturers recommendation on the number of threads that SHOULD be engaged by the lug nut. 7-8 threads is NOT OK. It very clearly states 9.5 threads at a minimum for our size wheel stud.

https://www.drivenproducts.com/blogs...ead-engagement

There are numerous other charts will confirm the same thing. I witnessed an accident due to some lug nuts coming off a wheel at high speed so I take this very personally.

I'm happy for you, do what you want with your car.

[sr71bb]

Originally Posted by EK@ID

I'm happy for you, do what you want with your car.

Well great. You cant fix stupid. GOOD LUCK.

[EK@ID]

Originally Posted by sr71bb

Well great. You cant fix stupid. GOOD LUCK.

I don't need your "luck" as the car has already been running for over a year with no problems. A 3mm spacer on stock lugs/studs is fine. Again, you do what you want with your car and save the name calling.

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