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nfamous209 · 10-20-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rodimus prime

See now if I would of waited I probably would of went with the New Era due to the fact that Id get the car tuned anyways. But seeing as I already have a roto-fab, I dont think I will miss those few hp now. Im still curious to see what vararam has. And I think that 2ss and this patrick guy are one and the same...kind of like some Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hyde thing. He has to wait for the moon to come out before he can post as "patrick".

I kid, I kid.

so ur not impressed w/ new era's since it showed atleast 2+whp and wtq gain over ur rotofab? across the entire board.

i'd actually would love to see dyno graphs of the results. showing the gains across the board. that will show more, as well as the air fuel ratio's.

live2well · 10-20-2009, 09:40 PM

MR. TED , thanks for your time and the info..

Merc · 10-20-2009, 09:46 PM

So can anbody tell me which CAI was the best and worst preforming in the test results. I think I know just checking.

kelleyperformance · 10-20-2009, 09:49 PM

it seems to me like the main reasons for any variation greater than 1-2 hp is simply due to placement of the MAF, and modification of A/F ratio. IMO if these were all teseted WITH their own tune, all with generally close IATs would be almost exactly the same hp/tq. they all have similar high flow filters (knit pick, but they are generally the same on an NA engine like this not drawing all that much air) and, that being said, it wont even be a large improvement seeing as the stock box gives reliable IATs.

it would really just come down to one's favorite fit and design according to which one to buy, obviously excluding intakes with noticably higher IATs

just my .02

JANNETTYRACING · 10-20-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kelleyperformance

it seems to me like the main reasons for any variation greater than 1-2 hp is simply due to placement of the MAF, and modification of A/F ratio. IMO if these were all teseted WITH their own tune, all with generally close IATs would be almost exactly the same hp/tq. they all have similar high flow filters (knit pick, but they are generally the same on an NA engine like this not drawing all that much air) and, that being said, it wont even be a large improvement seeing as the stock box gives reliable IATs.

it would really just come down to one's favorite fit and design according to which one to buy, obviously excluding intakes with noticably higher IATs

just my .02

I don't think is so much the filters but the boxes that made the difference.

With similar to stock fuel trims and a larger than stock air filter, High flow cotton gauze style, and smoother path for air to travel and a Large SEALED air box to the outside air source, there are some significant gains to be had at 10 + HP and TQ for the Dollar.

Fuel trims Are very representative of how well the system is designed as well as the MAF calibration, we started with -3% as a baseline so subract that number from the others and you start to see a better picture.

Ted.

JProberts · 10-20-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kelleyperformance

it seems to me like the main reasons for any variation greater than 1-2 hp is simply due to placement of the MAF, and modification of A/F ratio. IMO if these were all teseted WITH their own tune, all with generally close IATs would be almost exactly the same hp/tq. they all have similar high flow filters (knit pick, but they are generally the same on an NA engine like this not drawing all that much air) and, that being said, it wont even be a large improvement seeing as the stock box gives reliable IATs.

it would really just come down to one's favorite fit and design according to which one to buy, obviously excluding intakes with noticably higher IATs

just my .02

So what benefit does one really get replacing the stock system with any one of these CAI units?

Is there a benefit in getting a CAI if your adding a supercharger or smething as oppossed to keeping it stock? May have aske this before, sorry if I have.

Just wondering

pharmd · 10-20-2009, 10:04 PM

Its a shame we can't run them on the track, that is the ultimate test anyway...too many variable to extrapolate though...

I think the clear message here is, don't worry about which intake your getting, just get one, because the stock setup sucks...especially if you are making BIG power.

Alot of this is splitting hairs...if your after that last 10th then get a NE, Fastlane or ADM...otherwise just get whatever, or better yet, make one yourself.

Mod4SS · 10-20-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS

This is for all of you that think that i dont know what i am say, This is a Dyno pull from a stock LS3 and it "D1BADZ" car not my car as you can see it goes down at WOT to 9.5 to 1 AFM on the pull this is why he and you will not get all the power out of your CAI, See pic and good luck to you all.

kelleyperformance · 10-20-2009, 10:05 PM

when are you taking the fuel trims?

kelleyperformance · 10-20-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JProberts

So what benefit does one really get replacing the stock system with any one of these CAI units?

Is there a benefit in getting a CAI if your adding a supercharger or smething as oppossed to keeping it stock? May have aske this before, sorry if I have.

Just wondering

yes most all of these help mantain better IATs and ALL will out flow the stock setup... and the more air being taken in (supercharger, turbo, etc) the more benefit you will see

JANNETTYRACING · 10-20-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kelleyperformance

when are you taking the fuel trims?

After install of each kit and clearing Fuel trims, they were data logged during a loaded drive cycle up through the gears several times, cruise and acceleration and deceleration rolling in and out of the throttle and Idle.

These cars learn faster than anything I have ever seen in past, thankfully because this test could have taken a lot longer with older cars.

Ted.

kelleyperformance · 10-20-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

After install of each kit and clearing Fuel trims, they were data logged during a loaded drive cycle up through the gears several times, cruise and acceleration and deceleration rolling in and out of the throttle and Idle.

These cars learn faster than anything I have ever seen in past, thankfully because this test could have taken a lot longer with older cars.

Ted.

gotcha. it seems to me alot of confusion in here about the fuel trims being related with the WOT runs... wanted to make sure we are all on the same page.

great results btw

Tomato · 10-20-2009, 10:19 PM

Ted: Can you let us know what order you ran the CAI's in? Curious...Thanks.

JANNETTYRACING · 10-20-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomato

Ted: Can you let us know what order you ran the CAI's in? Curious...Thanks.

The order they are on the spread sheet.

10-20-2009, 09:40 PM	#156
live2well Drives: 2010 VR 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Odenton, MD Posts: 688	MR. TED , thanks for your time and the info.. __________________ Intelligence plus character that is the goal of true education. BrianC. :flag2:

10-20-2009, 09:49 PM	#158
kelleyperformance Drives: DD- 15' Chevy SS Sedan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 233	it seems to me like the main reasons for any variation greater than 1-2 hp is simply due to placement of the MAF, and modification of A/F ratio. IMO if these were all teseted WITH their own tune, all with generally close IATs would be almost exactly the same hp/tq. they all have similar high flow filters (knit pick, but they are generally the same on an NA engine like this not drawing all that much air) and, that being said, it wont even be a large improvement seeing as the stock box gives reliable IATs. it would really just come down to one's favorite fit and design according to which one to buy, obviously excluding intakes with noticably higher IATs just my .02 __________________

10-20-2009, 10:04 PM	#161
pharmd Master of Medicine Drives: 4th Gen Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 784	Its a shame we can't run them on the track, that is the ultimate test anyway...too many variable to extrapolate though... I think the clear message here is, don't worry about which intake your getting, just get one, because the stock setup sucks...especially if you are making BIG power. Alot of this is splitting hairs...if your after that last 10th then get a NE, Fastlane or ADM...otherwise just get whatever, or better yet, make one yourself. __________________ 2002 Camaro SS. 408 LS2. 500+RWHP/480RWTQ. Full UMI RR suspension. Koni/Strano. 295F/315R. 3500#(55/45)

10-20-2009, 10:05 PM	#163
kelleyperformance Drives: DD- 15' Chevy SS Sedan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 233	when are you taking the fuel trims? __________________

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