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A Festival Car 3 8.57%
A Parade Car 19 54.29%
A Pace Car 7 20.00%
A Festival/Pace Car 6 17.14%
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Old 10-04-2016, 04:53 AM   #1
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Very Rare PRE PRODUCTION 2016 Indy Parade/Festival Car DOCUMENTED!

Fullly documented and authentic! first; let me say I love cars! I love them since I was 10 years old. Now that goes back farther than I'd like to say let's just say it was just after the first moon landing… so what I'm writing here is in no way intended to discredit or disrespect actual Indianapolis Pace Car replica owners.

Many people don't know that the actual "Pace Car" used in the race of the year of that "Pace Car" is in the Indianapolis 500 museum or it's in a very wealthy person's car collection. For example: the 1971 Dodge Challenger Pace Car was actually wrecked into the press box area at the Indy 500. It is not at the Indy 500 museum but is in a separate museum Stephen Cage's Muscle car Museum" so this is an example of an actual "real" Pace Car that was used to pace the 1971 field at the race in 1971 not being present at the Indianapolis 500 museum. Very few "original on the track Pace Cars" are not sitting in the Indianapolis 500 museum.

However, manufacturers found a marketing niche to sell a "Pace Car Replica" to the general public. For example, in 1967 there were two identically prepared 396 cu in. "actual Pace Cars" produced for the actual race to Pace the race and one in reserve in case the original Pace Car had a mechanical breakdown. This is the customary way "original Pace Cars" are used in Indianapolis.

Back in the "old days" auto manufacturers would make a certain number of "Pace Car Replicas." As they were looking to service a niche market of buyers looking for a "Pace Car" that resembled the one used in the race that year. The first year for the Camaro was its inaugural year of 1967. Chevrolet used two identically prepared 396 cu in. "Pace Cars" for the race as well as approximately 40 identically prepared 1967 Camaro's used to promote the race which were driven around the Indianapolis area two months before the race was to begin.

Chevrolet also produced an additional 645 "Pace Car replicas " to be sold as new vehicles at dealerships nationwide however, 145 67' "Pace Car replicas" were used as VIP cars to be driven to various events around Indianapolis to be a rolling advertisement for the upcoming race. Some Chevrolet dealers are reported to have taken white 1967 Camaro's and added the pace car graphics to them, making them appear as actual "Pace Cars." That's why it's so important to have documentation going back to the original purchaser so you can document if you actually have a 1967 Camaro Pace Car. Thats why it's so important to have documentation going back to the original purchaser so you can document if you actually have a 1967 Camaro Pace Car. The original window sticker, Protecto-Plate, Invoice or build sheet from the top of the gas tank are important documents to have to prove you have a real 1967 Pace Car because of their limited production.

1969 Camaro Pace Cars are at least in my opinion the most iconic pace car ever produced. There were 3675 actual pace car replicas produced. Of this number, approximately 50 of those vehicles were actually used in Indianapolis to again "promote the race" however, this Pace Car is probably the most cloned "Pace Car" in existence. This is because of the huge popularity of the 1969 Camaro RS/SS Convertible Pace Cars. This was also a unique year because the "F" bodied cars were built in two plants, Norwood, Ohio, and Van Nuys, California. All Canadian 1969 Pace Cars were produced at the Norwood plant.

However, in 1969 there was also a hardtop "Pace Car" replica. All of these vehicles were built at the Norwood Ohio plant. The 1969 Pace Car factory replicas carry the body tag code Z-11 while the coupes carried the "Z10" code on the body tag. But that wasnt all... The car also had to have the correct paint and interior codes as well on that tag. This is why again documentation is so important. General Motors did not put an engine code into their VIN's until 1972. The body tag does not indicate the factory engine installed in the vehicle from the factory. This is why so many of the 1967 and 1969 Camaro Pace Cars were cloned.

But, times in the automotive world have changed. While Pace Cars are still produced each year for the Indianapolis 500 as well as the Brickyard 500, it is not as common to find the manufacturer making replicas as they once did. But there has been a tradition in Indianapolis for decades of "Pace Car Replicas" traveling around the Indianapolis area in April and May before that year's race to promote the race itself. These cars have been used as basically a "rolling advertisement" not only for the manufacturer but also for the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

That's where we get to the change of today…

While occasionally a manufacturer will still produce a "Pace Car Replica" The 2011 Camaro convertible " which was a tribute car to the 1969 Camaro RS/SS "Pace Car" was the last "Pace Car Replica" to be sold to the general public. Since then, there have been only two official "Pace Cars" produced each year. One going to the winner of the race while the other one is placed in the Indianapolis Motor Speedway museum. But the tradition of "Festival Cars" or "Parade Cars" are still produced in order to continue the tradition of using a similar looking vehicle by the same manufacturer driven around the Indianapolis area to promote the race. While this is not always been the case in terms of the same "vehicle" used as a "Festival Car" as the actual Pace Car", in 2015 the Camaro was the "Festival Car" while the 2015 Chevrolet Corvette was the "Official Pace Car" typically the same model vehicle that is the "Pace Car" also is the "Festival Car."

The closest a typical retail buyer can now get to buying an "Indycar" used in Indianapolis during events and parades is now a quote "Festival" or "Parade Car." The advantages to owning one of these vehicles is the fact that you know it is not a "replica." The vehicle itself was actually used AT Indianapolis and was used in different events promoting the race, including the Indianapolis 500 parade held the Saturday before the race. So what you're getting, is an actual vehicle used in Indianapolis versus buying a replica brand-new at a dealership.

In some cases, these "Festival/Parade cars" are used on the Indianapolis motor Speedway track as well, only adding to the mystique and intrinsic value of the car. You know for example that if you buy one it was most likely on the Indianapolis motor Speedway track itself. This is very different than "replica Pace Cars". In addition; these "Festival/Parade Cars" are made with the same detail logos as the official pace car is and they are made in extremely low numbers. The last "Official 2011 Indy Pace Car Replica Camaro" had a production run of only 50 vehicles. "Festival/Parade Cars" are also produced in extremely low numbers. For example: The all new 2016 Gen 6 Camaro 2SS "Indy Festival/Parade Cars" had a total production run of only 54 units. As in prior years, each car is individually numbered. "Festival/Parade Cars" is the retail buyers only opportunity to purchase a vehicle with the "Pace Car logos" as well as The added bonus of knowing that these vehicles were actually used at Indianapolis and we're on the motor speedway track itself. This makes for a very likely highly collectible vehicle down the road. This summer I was blessed to obtain one of these very rare vehicles and drive it all the way home from Indiana to the state of Oregon. I'm putting together a YouTube video called "The Drive of A Lifetime" which should be coming out sometime in October/November 2016.

Most people have never seen one and those that have are unlikely to see a second one. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the forums here on this site! I thought there may be a few people who might be interested a little bit in my car. In January 2016, Chevrolet began the process of building pre-production 2016 Camaro Convertibles that were to go to Indianapolis for the 2016 Indy 500. All of these vehicles were produced before retail 2016 Camaro convertible production began.

As with the two white VERY EARLY PRODUCTION 2017 Fiftieth Anniversary Pace Cars Which for all. intents and purposes were strictly used for track duty the day of the race, and like all of official "Pace Cars" One of them goes to the Indianapolis 500 museum and many times the other is offered to the winner of the race.

Things have changed however from the way a retail customer can get an IndyCar made by a manufacturer. It is rare today to see actual "Pace Car replicas" brought out for production to the general public, and in all actuality that's not such a bad thing, because what you now get, at least in my opinion as an Oregon licensed automobile appraiser thats specialized in 60s and 70s muscle cars, The purchasing of the current "parade/festival" cars has made obtaining one extremely desirable and rare because of their low production numbers and fact that they were used at Indianapolis before the race.
All were brought to Indianapolis. So you're guaranteed to get a vehicle that was actually "there." Instead of getting a "replica" built in a factory that resembles the car that was at Indianapolis but simply was sent from the factory to your local dealership.


All of these cars have actual heritage of the car being at Indianapolis and were many (including mine) was used as parade vehicles for the Indy 500 parade the day before the race was held. My car, #48 of the production run of 54 was used as well as well in promotional shots for Chevrolet driving around the IMS track.

I'm including pictures of the vehicle as well as documentation. All of these vehicles were produced by General Motors at the new Lansing river plant with production started in late January 2016 and the complete builds completed in February of 2016. My car is a "week seven build" which means it was completed the third week of February 2016. All 54 of these vehicles were built together, and were pre-production vehicles They were the first 2016 Camaro convertibles to come off the new assembly line at the n Lansing Grand River Plant. Each car is individually numbered and comes with its own custom license plate identifying it's build number which was legal for use in the state of Indiana through June 30, 2016 . After all 54 cars were produced, they were shipped by truck to General Motors headquarters in Detroit Michigan as shown on the "Certificate of Origin" or "MSO." (As shown) from General Motors corporate offficd in Detroit (as shown on the MSO photo) they were then shipped by truck down to Indianapolis to be used by the drivers of the race, VIPs with a connection to the race, and people associated with the Indianapolis 500 race for 2016.

After the race, General Motors sold these vehicles as "new" factory used vehicles to be sold to the general public. Most of them were sold through dealers in Indiana, but some have been found in Illinois, Ohio. Iowa and Michigan.

I picked my car up July 22, 2016 from Mike Anderson Chevrolet in Merrillville, Indiana and drove it westward to the state of Oregon. It's a dream I've had all my life, to buy a very special car and drive it cross-country home. I can tell you truthfully I wouldn't have done it any other way. It was worth every single mile.

I'm including with the pictures one of the rarest documents you'll never find, the "MSO" or otherwise known as "Certificate Of Origin" for this vehicle. This is a document very rarely seen because the dealership takes this document and sends it immediately to the Department of Motor Vehicles office in the state where the vehicle will be registered in. Think of it as a cars birth certificate, it's made by the factory when the car is produced indicating to the motor vehicle department it is safe for use on US roadways and as well as the emissions standards that the car complies with. and the name of the selling dealer shipped that purchased the vehicle is listed on the certificate of origin. In this case, the "low name of dealer, distributor" is "General Motors." This is because all 2016 Festival/Parade Cars were built for the factory for promotional use for the 2016 Indy 500.

Once the race was over, these vehicles were sold by dealerships within the Indiana area, with the vast amount of them being sold near Indianapolis. The car I was blessed to buy is car number 48. It was purchased in Merrillville Indiana, a south eastern suburb of Chicago Illinois. After the race, Chevrolet sold these vehicles with between 2,000 and 5000 miles on them, depending upon how many events each car had to do while in Indianapolis.

Chevrolet then made them available for sale through Chevrolet dealers "in the I( unless the driver that had it originally in Indianapolis did not want to purchase the vehicle themselves ) I was one of the few people that were blessed enough to get one.

I see so many great stories of people purchasing vehicles here on this site. I thought perhaps, with all of the interesting stories on this site perhaps the story of my car might be of interest to some of you.

There were advertisements of these vehicles being called "Festival Cars" or "Parade Cars." I hope this story as well as the pictures provided help to perhaps inspire someone who has a dream of getting a special car someday and driving it all the way home. I can tell you from my once-in-a-lifetime experience, I wouldn't have changed a thing. I waited 36 years for my Indy Car, and to be quite honest it was worth the wait!
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Old 10-04-2016, 05:37 AM   #2
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Sorry for a few of the mis spelled words in that post. It was getting pretty late as you can tell by the time of the post and I can't find any place to edit it so it has my true feelings on this miracle of a car for me. I'm disabled for life, things like this just don't happen to me. But I've been richly blessed and I'm very thankful for that.


The last part of this beginning of the form says the following: "I hope this story as well as the pictures provided help to perhaps inspire someone who has a dream of getting a special car Sunday I'm driving it all the way home. I can tell you from my once-in-a-lifetime experience, I wouldn't have changed a thing. I waited 36 years for my Indy Car, and to be quite honest it was worth the wait!"


That should read I hope it inspires someone some day to drive it all the way home. It was important for me to clarify that for everyone because getting the car was the first blessing, driving it all the way home was most assuredly the second.
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Old 10-04-2016, 06:08 AM   #3
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Dang it!! I need to figure out how to edit these things! This car initially was put into production in September 2015. Sorry about the error up top if anybody could help me with how to edit these forum posts I would sure appreciate it ! I'm new to this site and really enjoy reading everybody's posts. I would just like to learn how to use the site better. So if any of you have any ideas, please pass them my way as I love to read the stories and see the photos. Again sorry about the mistake.
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Old 10-04-2016, 06:14 AM   #4
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I hope you enjoy it and aren't looking to sell it anytime soon. How much was this thing?
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Old 10-04-2016, 06:18 AM   #5
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Props to you for getting one! Very cool car, I was at the 500 this year and enjoyed seeing these and the pace cars.
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Old 10-04-2016, 06:33 AM   #6
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Old 10-04-2016, 06:41 AM   #7
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I hope you enjoy it and aren't looking to sell it anytime soon. How much was this thing?
Hi my friend, thank you so much for your kind words. It's a real personal story about getting this car. I had prayed 36 years for one. I was blessed to get the sales price below invoice by the grace of God for sure.

Here's how the story goes in a quick manner,

When I was 16 my mom went to buy her first new car it was in 1980 turbo trans am. That was the same year that the Trans Am turbo paced the Indy 500. I wanted her to buy the White Trans Am IndyCar so bad I literally begged her to buy that car. But she wanted the blue one instead so I always had a dream that someday I'd get one But my dream also was I would get to fly out to get it and have the gift of driving it A long ways home. In July of this year I got that blessing.

Who knew, 36 years later I would get a blue car with white stripes?? Really gave me chills, knowing that that car was specially for me, the date of the race this year and on both doors is May 29, that's the day my mom died. For the rest of my life by the grace of God, I'll have this car tucked away in my garage and only driven when the ground is dry and the skies are clear. And whoever I will this car to when I pass this world must know that for the family heritage they need to keep it for the rest of their life as well.

Thank you again for your very kind comments. It meant a lot to me.
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Old 10-04-2016, 06:43 AM   #8
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Hi my friend, thank you so much for your kind words. It's a real personal story about getting this car. I had prayed 36 years for one. I was blessed to get the sales price below invoice by the grace of God for sure.

Here's how the story goes in a quick manner,

When I was 16 my mom went to buy her first new car it was in 1980 turbo trans a.m. That was the same year that the Trans Am turbo paced the Indy 500. I wanted her to buy the White Trans Am IndyCar so bad I literally begged her to buy that car. But she wanted the blue one instead so I always had a dream that someday I'd get one But my dream also was I would get to fly out to get it and have the gift of driving it A long ways home. In July of this year I got that blessing.

Who knew, 36 years later I would get a blue car with white stripes?? Really give me chills, knowing that that car was specially for me, the date of the race this year was May 29, that's the day my mom died. For the rest of my life by the grace of God, I'll have this car tucked away in my garage and only driven when the ground is dry and the skies are clear.

Thank you again for your very kind comments. It meant a lot to me.
Wow, good for you and great deal. Definitely hold onto it for a long time if you can.
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Props to you for getting one! Very cool car, I was at the 500 this year and enjoyed seeing these and the pace cars.
That's truly cool! I love the anniversary cars a lot. I am a big fan of hugger Orange. The little detailing with that stripe was truly a heritage move. You got a great car there. These cars are absolutely the best overall car I've ever driven and I've driven many of the 60s and 70s supercars.
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Old 10-04-2016, 06:47 AM   #10
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Wow, good for you and great deal. Definitely hold onto it for a long time if you can.
By the way my friend, I was going to say I'd love to go for a ride in your car someday! That's a really great set up you've got! Nice car! I bet you have a Tonnof fun with it!
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Beautiful!!!
Thank you so much! I love the RS package on the LED's up front. That extra LED in the front is really cool. Plus you got the turbo 4 as well... you know, 30 years ago The Mustang GT with the 5.0 L 302 V8 with factory headers nonetheless, had less horsepower than your turbo 4 does today!! It just shows you how far cars have come doesn't it? I'd love to go for a ride in one of those. The balance on the chassis is nearly equal. That thing would absolutely scream into corners nice car for sure and great color too. What a lot of people don't know about the Indy cars that were blue was General Motors at the time because it was pre-production called it "blew me away met" then they finally changed the name to "hyper blue" one of the little trivia questions you might be able to fool some people with!

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Wow, good for you and great deal. Definitely hold onto it for a long time if you can.

By the way, I think one of the nicest interior colors I've ever seen and I go back to 1971 is the ceramic white interior. It's absolutely gorgeous! Good pick my friend
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By the way, I think one of the nicest interior colors I've ever seen and I go back to 1971 is the ceramic white interior. It's absolutely gorgeous! Good pick my friend
LOL...thanks and if you're ever in my area let me know and you drive it yourself

The Ceramic White IMO was hands down the best looking interior and I stubbornly had to have it...but it's a PIA. Dye transfer is a real issue and I've been lucky enough to get it out with professional help (cost me $125, but was worth it).

Now I keep a white hand towel folded up where the back and seat bottom meet on my seat since that's where it happened to me. It was very light and came off from blue cargo shorts that had been washed a million times and from jeans. I keep a spare towel on hand to pin under the headrest when I bring it for service.
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