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DevilsReject97 · 04-02-2019, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The original reason was to make Dodge more of a performance division, Chrysler more upscale, and Ram kind of the "GMC" of FCA. All trucks all the time. It made sense back then, after walking back from making SRT its own division and back when Dodge had more cars. But, with Dart and 200 dead it makes less sense these days.

So now they have Chrysler with 2 nameplates. Really just one (Pacifica) when 300 goes away, and Dodge with 5 (Challenger, Charger, Durango, Journey, and Grand Caravan, for however long that sticks around). Something's gotta give.

Just fold them back under Dodge...and can Chrysler....

Dodge Grand Caravan can become the new Dodge Pacifica.... and solves the issue..

BlaqWhole · 04-02-2019, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket403

When you look into the FCA corporate profits and company issues it does not look like the main issues are in North America as 85.5% of profits for FCA were generated here, not sure what happened outside of NA but issues in Europe and China look to be the main issue. The impact that those outside forces will have on the NA operations will increase the longer they not addressed.

The last thing I heard about the future of the Challenger platform was last year, and it was indicated that they would remodel the current chassis to address weight and handling, so we would need to wait and see how NA operations are affected by other factors to see if that changes the plans for the Challenger/Charger.

If the big push overseas is for better emissions then Dodge is not going to do well. And I also don't see their classic look appealing to many people over there. At least not after it's been used for over 10 years. And like you said, the weight and size is not attractive over there. From what I can see Dodge doesn't even have a fuel economy engine available like the 4cyl turbo engines in the Mustang and Camaro. And even if they did, would it be powerful and durable enough to push around that big heavy car? So these all seem like things FCA has to deal with. And if they do not have a plan structured yet then I'm not sure what they plan to do.

rocket403 · 04-02-2019, 06:55 PM

The cars that FCA has been selling to Europe has been a wagon based on the magnum and the 300 both left and right hand drive, engines have been V6 gas and diesel. These are made in the Brampton plant for export. I’m not sure if the wagon is still in production right now but last time I asked it was. These are not the issue that FCA is been having in Europe more with Fiat and Maserati and production problems, with China I don’t know what they have as the issue.

Having a 4 cylinder engine for the Challenger would be like what GM has done with the Pickup trucks can be done but who would buy that turd. Not sure I would even consider the 4 cylinder for the Camaro.

GuywithL86 · 04-03-2019, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket403

Not sure I would even consider the 4 cylinder for the Camaro.

Someone who wants the fastest car possible for a budget thats lower than a v8?

hotlap · 04-03-2019, 07:35 AM

I noticed Challenger sales are down -24% for Q1 2019.
13,431 Q1 2019 - 17,648 Q1 2018

Camaro up +2.5%
12,083 Q1 2019 - 11,795 Q1 2018

Ford numbers won't be out until tomorrow.

Charger down -3%

rocket403 · 04-03-2019, 07:56 AM

Sales of Challenger and Charger are up 61% and 52% in Canada from last year, with sales of the 300 up 58% as well.

BlaqWhole · 04-03-2019, 08:10 AM

Regardless of their sales, we know the Camaro will survive for another Generation. That gives us about 6 more years at least. Can we say the same thing for the Challenger/Charger? On the plus side, if they do go belly up, then imagine how much a low mileage clean Hellcat will be worth in the future!! I mean, I was gonna drive the miles up and turn my lease in next Summer. But now I'm thinking I might wanna hold on to it and keep the miles low.

hotlap · 04-03-2019, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket403

Sales of Challenger and Charger are up 61% and 52% in Canada from last year, with sales of the 300 up 58% as well.

I saw that. Challenger went from 404 units in Q1 2018 to 651 units in Q1 2019. Is that in to overall totals?

rocket403 · 04-03-2019, 08:41 AM

2018 Canadian Challenger Sales totals 3457, the 2018 Canadian Sales of the Camaro total 2574.

These numbers are small compared to US sales.

shaffe · 04-03-2019, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If the big push overseas is for better emissions then Dodge is not going to do well. And I also don't see their classic look appealing to many people over there. At least not after it's been used for over 10 years. And like you said, the weight and size is not attractive over there. From what I can see Dodge doesn't even have a fuel economy engine available like the 4cyl turbo engines in the Mustang and Camaro. And even if they did, would it be powerful and durable enough to push around that big heavy car? So these all seem like things FCA has to deal with. And if they do not have a plan structured yet then I'm not sure what they plan to do.

Well going back to what rocket originally said about 85% percent of profits coming from NA, thats because of Ram and Jeep. Asnd I agree I have no idea what FCA's plan could be.

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Regardless of their sales, we know the Camaro will survive for another Generation. That gives us about 6 more years at least. Can we say the same thing for the Challenger/Charger? On the plus side, if they do go belly up, then imagine how much a low mileage clean Hellcat will be worth in the future!! I mean, I was gonna drive the miles up and turn my lease in next Summer. But now I'm thinking I might wanna hold on to it and keep the miles low.

This ^ We know for sure or at least I would say over 90% that Camaro will see another generation for one simple reason, Cadillac needs it. We know sedan sales are way down, luckily for GM Camaro7 on Alpha II can pick up some of the dead weight for low CT5/4 sales. the real question will be this:

Martin mentioned/guessed if they make a Alpha CUV will Camaro be needed?

Or if I believe it was Hotlap, if CT4/5 tank and they pull the plug will just Camaro be enough to keep around

NW-99SS · 04-03-2019, 09:05 AM

Yikes...

https://news.yahoo.com/current-ford-...144300640.html

rocket403 · 04-03-2019, 09:18 AM

Looks like Ford is taking Dodge's business plan for the Mustang.

Chadicus · 04-03-2019, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Yikes...

https://news.yahoo.com/current-ford-...144300640.html

So possibly a much larger Mustang.. hmm. Interesting

rocket403 · 04-03-2019, 09:56 AM

In Europe (England) the platforms would or could stay around for 20 plus years, the 4 to 5 year platform change over was a NA thing looks like we will be moving away from that and start running platforms over a 10 to 15 year life cycle in the future in order for manufactures to be more cost effective.

04-03-2019, 07:35 AM	#1377
hotlap Drives: 20 1LE 2SS M6 Rally Green Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Franklin WI Posts: 6,637	I noticed Challenger sales are down -24% for Q1 2019. 13,431 Q1 2019 - 17,648 Q1 2018 Camaro up +2.5% 12,083 Q1 2019 - 11,795 Q1 2018 Ford numbers won't be out until tomorrow. Charger down -3% __________________ "the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan -

04-03-2019, 09:05 AM	#1383
NW-99SS Drives: 1999 Camaro SS M6 - SBE LS1 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 1,174	Yikes... https://news.yahoo.com/current-ford-...144300640.html __________________ 1999 Camaro SS 6M - SBE LS1 1994 Camaro Z28 6M - Golen 383 HT 1963 Corvette GrandSport - ZZ502 4M 2017 Denali 1500 6.2 2017 Yukon Denali 6.2

04-02-2019, 06:55 PM	#1375
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	The cars that FCA has been selling to Europe has been a wagon based on the magnum and the 300 both left and right hand drive, engines have been V6 gas and diesel. These are made in the Brampton plant for export. I’m not sure if the wagon is still in production right now but last time I asked it was. These are not the issue that FCA is been having in Europe more with Fiat and Maserati and production problems, with China I don’t know what they have as the issue. Having a 4 cylinder engine for the Challenger would be like what GM has done with the Pickup trucks can be done but who would buy that turd. Not sure I would even consider the 4 cylinder for the Camaro.

04-03-2019, 07:56 AM	#1378
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	Sales of Challenger and Charger are up 61% and 52% in Canada from last year, with sales of the 300 up 58% as well.

04-03-2019, 08:10 AM	#1379
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	Regardless of their sales, we know the Camaro will survive for another Generation. That gives us about 6 more years at least. Can we say the same thing for the Challenger/Charger? On the plus side, if they do go belly up, then imagine how much a low mileage clean Hellcat will be worth in the future!! I mean, I was gonna drive the miles up and turn my lease in next Summer. But now I'm thinking I might wanna hold on to it and keep the miles low.

04-03-2019, 08:41 AM	#1381
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	2018 Canadian Challenger Sales totals 3457, the 2018 Canadian Sales of the Camaro total 2574. These numbers are small compared to US sales.

04-03-2019, 09:18 AM	#1384
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	Looks like Ford is taking Dodge's business plan for the Mustang.

04-03-2019, 09:56 AM	#1386
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	In Europe (England) the platforms would or could stay around for 20 plus years, the 4 to 5 year platform change over was a NA thing looks like we will be moving away from that and start running platforms over a 10 to 15 year life cycle in the future in order for manufactures to be more cost effective.

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