[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Maybe a stack of phone books on a waterbed is just about as fast on a race track as an M4 or maybe the Mustang actually handles very well for a GT car.

HAHAHAHAHA, well done.

That latter may be the case, I haven't driven an '18 myself and am not convinced with the 1 review personally. Times and that feedback are what seem to be at odds with each other, and I struggle with those 2 points.

IF it does handle very well for a "GT" car(whatever that means), why would the feedback in that review be SO bad though?

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Maybe a stack of phone books on a waterbed is just about as fast on a race track as an M4 or maybe the Mustang actually handles very well for a GT car.

The handling feels so bad because the rear end is swinging around so much. Johnny complained about the steering, but it is more related to the body roll.

The PP2 is supposed to have much stiffer sway bars and a bit stiffer springs. That will help the body motions and the steering feel a great deal.

Just wish they had taken this approach with the base or even the PP1.

And no, it doesn't have to have bad body motions to make the car feel more comfortable. Look at BMW. Comfortable, and body motions are tightly controlled. Then add Magnetic Ride, and you can get even more comfort. So in today's world, you can have both. I expected both like the Camaro, and many other cars. The 2018, is a disappointment (to me) so far in the handling department.

I do like the dual injection and some other things though...

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

That may be, I haven't driven an '18 and the times and that feedback are what seem to be at odds with each other.

IF it does handle very well for a "GT" car(whatever that means), why would the feedback in that review be SO bad though?

The feedback is so bad because the expectation was it would at least match the SS. It probably does handle better than it did in '15, but that feels like ages ago now and expectations are higher than they have ever been in this segment.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

....which you've apparently had too much of. Touchy much?

He needs to pet a puppy in his safe space.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

What's odd to me though is the PP1 matched or beat cars like the M4 in some metrics, but the reviews make it sound like a total liability from a stability stand point. It has respectable numbers when not just comparing it to the Camaro, so why is the handling
and feel so poor?

Because grip and composure while trying to use that grip aren't the same thing. It is possible to have a decent amount of one without a comparable amount of the other.

I'd start with the 1LE most likely having greater cornering stiffnesses in the wheel & tire package.


Norm

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

HAHAHAHAHA, well done.

That latter may be the case, I haven't driven an '18 myself and am not convinced with the 1 review personally. Times and that feedback are what seem to be at odds with each other, and I struggle with those 2 points.

IF it does handle very well for a "GT" car(whatever that means), why would the feedback in that review be SO bad though?

A "GT" aka Grand Touring car is defined as having these qualities..

The engines "should be able to cope with cruising comfortably at the upper limits on all continental roads without drawbacks or loss of usable power."

"Ideally, the GT car should have been devised by its progenitors as a Grand Tourer, with all associated considerations in mind."

"It should be able to transport at least two in comfort with their luggage and have room to spare — probably in the form of a two plus two (2+2) seating arrangement."

The design, both "inside and out, should be geared toward complete control by the driver."

Its "chassis and suspension provide suitable handling and roadholding on all routes" during travels.

Which is exactly what the Mustang GT fits into.

Also..

Grand tourers emphasize comfort and handling over straight-out high performance or ascetic, spartan accommodations.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Those massive Cup 2's do wonders for the lateral G's, that is great to see. I am very excited for this H2H.

What's odd to me though is the PP1 matched or beat cars like the M4 in some metrics, but the reviews make it sound like a total liability from a stability stand point. It has respectable numbers when not just comparing it to the Camaro, so why is the handling
and feel so poor?

Is the PP2 going to be a lot of the same? Able to squeak out good numbers, but feels terrible doing it?

This quote from the article.

Jethro kept pointing out that although the Ford felt bad going into a corner, once you were actually in a turn it was pretty much OK. “There’s a good car somewhere under there,”

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by keon718nyc

Still await a Canary Bird Orange 18' PP1,2,3 whatever to come next to me here in Mexico and really see all this BS talk put to rest on the straightaway. Muhahahahah

"Cornering" at 0.00001 lateral g's is about as boring as it gets. Y'all go on ahead without me.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Mustang fanboys are SUPER touchy these days man.

As fixed, probably true.

But that's what happens when you let yourself get too brand-centric and things don't go your way every single time.


Norm

[1295/SS]

Originally Posted by 2012 IngotSilver 5.0

No doubt about it, Ford has closed the gap.



Talk about irrational trolls, how many different forums do you infect?



Bullitt because Steve McQueen is an American icon. Seriously, how did you miss that?

I know some decent Camaro guys, do them a favor and tell everyone you drive a Volvo ...



It requires a very special skill to understand Ford's claim, it's called actually being able to read. Good luck!



Oh no, Mustang beat Camaro sales 34 out of 44 years ... and now a typo!

The Mustang is doomed!



Just like against the 4th Gen LS1, the Stang loses by a few tenths here or there.

But the Camaro went out of production regardless. Hmm, maybe Ford is onto something ...



"Dominance"? lol

You nearly made me spit out my coffee.

Classic Mustang inferiority response. Hey, but you win the sales battle. You can yell that out the window when the better car rolls up.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

And what is the reason for the Bullitt? I mean seriously? Ford is just proving they are milking their idiotic buyers to death. They should of put that HP and suspension in the GT and called it a day. But nope, they didn't. Shoot, at $50k for a GT, they could of put some GT350 parts in there. But nope, they didn't. Mustang suckers are born every minute. I was hoping the 500 would come out and destroy, but I'm having doubts now.

Compared to the totally rational and reasonable hot wheels Camaro?

Or the Transformers Edition 5th Gen?

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

A "GT" aka Grand Touring car is defined as having these qualities..



Which is exactly what the Mustang GT fits into.

Also..

Thanks dude!!

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

As fixed, probably true.

But that's what happens when you let yourself get too brand-centric and things don't go your way every single time.


Norm

Very well said Norm, as usual.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Compared to the totally rational and reasonable hot wheels Camaro?

Or the Transformers Edition 5th Gen?

I'm in agreement with you there as well so. haha. It does go both ways that's for sure.