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The highlighted section made me laugh, OH WOW ITS SO HUGE. yes dimensionally it is huge, thats why guys would take out that huge 4.6 in the older version of the car and put in a big block chevy.
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05-21-2012, 09:12 PM | #1333 |
Another name That's awesome. But Why go thru so much to troll. I applaud your persistence.
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Side-by-side, same-day, same road course will be very interesting. Ford is surely nervous. Remember, although there was LOTS of hoopla at Atlanta, no 'Ring times were released after they spent a considerable amount of time over there. Sounds like the '13 GT500 will NOT match an '11 in autoX, contrary to one of the focal points in Ford's press release earlier last week. And blaming that result on the Torsen? Without it (for those who understand its technology), something as powerful but incorrectly weighted as the GT500 wouldn't stand a chance of putting all that torque to the ground. And with a Torsen, that 9% power loss on the dyno frankly lacks credibility (unless a tune was administered?). GM/SLP used the Torsen in their Firehawk, to great effect. BTW, best totally STOCK runs for Vettes, as per Corvette Forum: Z06 = 10.981 @ 128.90 ZR1 = 10.664 @ 132.92 Good luck with those numbers. |
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I wasn`t aware of that either, but I keep hearing the same thing in this thread...
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Not to butt heads with you, but how exactly does Ford not releasing times indicate that they were nervous?
Ford didn't release ANY performance metrics other than top speed. (EDIT: unless you're meaning that they don't think they can take the Corvettes...then yes, you're probably right, they don't expect to take them out)
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Lets just accept the fact the shelby is a monster and lived up to its hype, and we now await for a review(s) of both of america's badass muscle cars to battle against one another and the rest of the world.
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2ndCamaro - thank you for your thoughts and for your passion for all things Camaro.... - I don't think Al or anyone on the team is being ripped apart by anyone of authority. Yes - there will always be those who don't particularly like certain people or certain brands..... And there are always those who have their opinions. Some opinions are correct - others are well-intended -- and others miss the mark completely. For anyone to think that one Company will always dominate is folly - it is very unlikely that this will ever happen. (...in terms of affordable performance cars....) For many years, our 4th gen F-cars dominated....... and frankly, my PERSONAL opinion is that we should have not have unveiled the ZL1 as early as we did - because I'm quite certain that this forced Ford's hand. (....and the winner in all of this? Both Brands' enthusiasts as we continually improve the product and the performance of said products!) Now: Some had a fit when Al posted the note that said something along the lines of "You're welcome --" to Mustang enthusiasts.......but he wasn't wrong. I would doubt that Ford would be producing a 650hp Mustang had the Camaro (and Challenger) not made a comeback...... So - let's get the cars on the road - let's allow some journalists to objectively compare the two using the same driver on the same track.....both a road course and a drag strip........and let's see what the results are. Until that happens, all the talk in the world means nothing..... Regardless - the ZL1 is one heck-of-a-car: Just ask the man or woman who owns one. Mustang owners don't have to love it......we hope every one of them will....but it's unlikely! And -- to my Camaro faithful: If you DO go onto other-branded boards - let's show them some class. ...now ....lemme go feed 'Bro Zeke - V 2.0' another Mustang - he's hungry.....
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I like how we actually have some cool Mustang people in here.... The times are certainly nice!
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I'm referring to 'Ring times. And I seriously doubt their target was either of the Corvette times. Remember, they said their performance metrics were based on the Ford GT, which does have a 'Ring time. So why no report?
They must have missed it, or you can be sure we would have heard about it. They didn't go all the way over there just to slip and slide in the wet, did they? But they did "participate" in the video. |
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I don't think anyone, well anyone with a level head, faults Mr. O. for making comments defending his car. I think it was more the way he promised that the car would outperform the GT500, and then so many of the Camaro faithful absolutely ran with it.
I know this site isn't dedicated to what the Ford guys think, but I believe we can all agree that there was a LOT of dishing out FROM the ZL1 crew/fans toward the Ford/GT500 crew. Now, admittedly, not everyone took it as well as they should have, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the perceived ego of this site, as well as others affiliated with GM products was off the charts. Now, that the GT500 has outperformed the ZL1 in nearly every single MEASURABLE statistic, I think you're going to see a lot of revenge trash talking. Either way, I know that to real enthusiasts both of these cars are absolutely awesome, and deserve to be treated with the highest level of respect by their owners/drivers. I'm looking forward to a decent photo op with a clean ZL1.
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