[Hops]

i just watched the smoking tire review of the Mach 1. With the features discussed, i thought they were talking about a ss 1le! I've noticed many reviewers of the mach 1 won't mention the Camaro.
Although i'm a chevy guy, i like ford too. And I wonder if the mustang will be our last chance at an ICE v8 coupe? But it's almost c8 money!

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Hops

i just watched the smoking tire review of the Mach 1. With the features discussed, i though they were talking about a ss 1le! I've noticed many reviewers of the mach 1 won't mention the Camaro.
Although i'm a chevy guy, i like ford too. And I wonder if the mustang will be our last chance at an ICE v8 coupe? But it's almost c8 money!

A while ago there were several articles posted about Ford leaving it up to the fan base when it came to the fate of the V8. FCA or Stellantis now has been super competitive with Ford in the Truck and Performance vehicle segment IE 807 HP Super Stock Challenger in response to GT500 760hp Mustang, Ram TRX in response to Raptor etc. Based on what I was told from a very good family friend who we have known for years works for corporate for FCA as a regional manager he said Ford will not be the only one with a V8. He could not tell me more than that or what V8s would remain etc.

[Puddin]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

Man, this is great to hear!

His friend may want to check in with Tim then.https://www.motorbiscuit.com/dodge-s...e-is-electric/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sla...-13677870/amp/

[Devstrike]

That article was taken before Ford's announcement to leave the fate of the V8 up to the fan base. That article you linked said a lot of truth when Ford announced the fate of the V8 to the fans it changed some things. The Challenger is on the oldest platform out there people are still buying it. No reason not to continue it on with a V8 especially if Ford is doing it and they want to stay competitive.


EDIT: Here is a more recent article from May from Ford Authority. https://fordauthority.com/2021/05/fo...hief-engineer/ Which is probably one of the reasons which prompted the sudden reconsideration of the article you linked from Motorbisscuit for the future of V8 in Challengers.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Puddin

His friend may want to check in with Tim then.https://www.motorbiscuit.com/dodge-s...e-is-electric/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sla...-13677870/amp/

Oh, sure… like he would know.

This is a picture I took of Tim Kuniskis (black shirt) talking to Carl Widmann (GT500 Exec. Chief Engineer) at a press event before the 2019 Woodward Dream Cruise. I was talking to Tim before the two of them and Ed Piatek (C8 Chief Engineer) did a panel discussion. Tim told me that he considers electrification to be the new fuel injection. That’s almost a direct quote. He said it again during the panel discussion, so I think he was practicing the line on me . His point is, when fuel injection first started to replace the carburetor, purists screamed bloody murder. Until it proved to be essential.

[Puddin]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

That article was taken before Ford's announcement to leave the fate of the V8 up to the fan base. That article you linked said a lot of truth when Ford announced the fate of the V8 to the fans it changed some things. The Challenger is on the oldest platform out there people are still buying it. No reason not to continue it on with a V8.

All Dodge has to do is put that body on an electric platform and it would still sell. Once the new Lightnings come out watch how quick Ford reverses their decision to leave the V8s up to the "fans" when they see all the money the Lightning is going to pull. The new laws and epa restrictions going into effect around the country are good reason to abandon the V8. Look at the new exhaust law they have in New York only allowing 60db for cars.

[FarmerFran]

And just today I was reading how bad the electrical infrastructure is and how power delivery is not currently up to par, especially in the pacific NW right now, Texas a few month back, California almost all the time

[Devstrike]

I don't mean to derail the thread I just responded to a comment someone posted earlier with what I have heard. My friend before my handicap helped me with getting involved as far as my interests in the Auto industry. From what I learned from him in the past is he was right about the scatpack, the Hellcat, The TRX the 6.4 Hemi in the HD trucks.

Only reason I mentioned it is because I trust what my friend has to say and he is trustworthy and has not been wrong so far. I also mentioned it because it was my answer to what Hops said above about the Mustang possibly being the only ICE V8 left.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

also mentioned it because it was my answer to what Hops said above about the Mustang possibly being the only ICE V8 left.

If this is the case, I will be in EV before that POS.

[Puddin]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Oh, sure… like he would know.

This is a picture I took of Tim Kuniskis (black shirt) talking to Carl Widmann (GT500 Exec. Chief Engineer) at a press event before the 2019 Woodward Dream Cruise. I was talking to Tim before the two of them and Ed Piatek (C8 Chief Engieer) did a panel discussion. Tim told me that he considers electrification to be the new fuel injection. That’s almost a direct quote. He said it again during the panel discussion, so I think he was practicing the line on me . His point is, when fuel injection first started to replace the carburetor, purists screamed bloody murder. Until it proved to be essential.

Yep most of the manufacturers are headed to electfication because that's where the money is headed. Now back on topic if the Mach 1 was about 48 to 50k I'd probably buy one over the Camaro. If they offered a Gt350 with an auto trans I probably would've bought that instead of my Camaro now.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

And just today I was reading how bad the electrical infrastructure is and how power delivery is not currently up to par, especially in the pacific NW right now, Texas a few month back, California almost all the time

That’s today. We shouldn’t assume that the grid we have today is the grid we will have in 2030 or 2035. Just as automakers are making continuous progress towards electrification, power companies are doing their own thing.

This is the landing page for DTE’s renewable energy activities. They are the largest power provider in the state of Michigan. I’m guessing there are 49 other states that can show similar information.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by Puddin

Yep most of the manufacturers are headed to electfication because that's where the money is headed. Now back on topic if the Mach 1 was about 48 to 50k I'd probably buy one over the Camaro. If they offered a Gt350 with an auto trans I probably would've bought that instead of my Camaro now.

Yeah from what i've seen, i like the Mach 1. It's like a ss 1le with more usability, but not sure i'd pay ~$15k more for just that. I like that they seem to be following the ss 1le in terms of durability on the track. But i wonder how Ford treats tracked cars warranty wise? GM's openly states they warranty ss and 1le's that go to the track.

[3.8TransAM]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

That’s today. We shouldn’t assume that the grid we have today is the grid we will have in 2030 or 2035. Just as automakers are making continuous progress towards electrification, power companies are doing their own thing.

This is the landing page for DTE’s renewable energy activities. They are the largest power provider in the state of Michigan. I’m guessing there are 49 other states that can show similar information.

Remember doubling clean energy(honestly, no one here cares) means nothing in the scheme of building a network capable of dealing with added use from millions of electric cars. They are talking about current energy production and needs. Its a corporate handjob, like the look at me I'm green now because we reduced out footprint and then you find out they sold and leased back their office buildings, which counts :-) 98% of "green" u see is corporate bullshit, much like pandering to whatever the current social injustice is.


Transmission lines will need to be upgraded, rural service will be a grand time to accomplish these goals. Local infrastructure like transmission stations and everything else is going to have to be built up. Every section of any old city, neighborhood or house will literally need new lines ran to it if it was built before the 200amp service era(and that is questionable as well because that will depend on current household loads on the circuit now. Some areas have been stepping to 380 service, but that is a recent occurrence.



There is no such thing as a free lunch and there never will be.


The problem with government is they do not realize that their job is not to legislate our lives......

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

That’s today. We shouldn’t assume that the grid we have today is the grid we will have in 2030 or 2035. Just as automakers are making continuous progress towards electrification, power companies are doing their own thing.

This is the landing page for DTE’s renewable energy activities. They are the largest power provider in the state of Michigan. I’m guessing there are 49 other states that can show similar information.

670,000 homes with 18 wind and 32 solar. So what area of the state do those farms take up? How many acres of land?

Considering there are near 4million households in that state. This is not including businesses either.

Look, I am not against it. I just know how this country has been operating the last few decades and my guess is no one has really thought this through.