[1970judge]

I personally dont get the big deal about either of those cars?

The demon, cool I guess? I see them all over at meets and stuff, Ive seen 3 this week alone. Nothing fancy, its still an 800hp tank, 1 trick pony. Dont get me wrong, I refer to these as the AMG of American pony cars. Just crazy burnout machines, meant to put a smile on your face. If I woke up tomorrow and there was not a Chevrolet Camaro to buy anymore, I would gladly buy a Hellcat. But I would go into it knowing I have a car not meant for much else, its not the best car of the 3.

The GT500? They can add 1000hp for all I care, they still lack about another 5-10 years of proper chassis design and proper engine design. I wont hold my breath.

No denying this is a great time during the HP wars, but they are just that..HP wars. Chevrolet has stated REPEATEDLY that HP isnt everything, we focus on the overall function of the car, add power as NECESSARY.

[nicktechla]

I think the only HellCat I would get is the Charger if I somehow needed a 4 door.. but I'd rather have a CTS-V in that case.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by nicktechla

I think for the future, instead of adding more power it would be cool if Chevy could maybe shed 400-500lbs off the Camaro. Like 3500lbs MAX.

People complain about how small and cramped it is now. If they lost that much extra weight they'd have to start dropping out lots of features like auto trans, heated/cooled seats, heated steering wheel, navigation, and a bunch of other stuff. At that point I'd just walk away. Remember the Z28? It was light but it had no options. I don't know about anyone else, but no way am I DDing any car in NJ extreme heat and cold with no AC in the Summer, no heated seats in the Winter, and no radio.

And you'd also have to worry about structural integrity, crash test ratings, interior insulation, and a whole slew of other things.

Originally Posted by 1970judge

I personally dont get the big deal about either of those cars?

The demon, cool I guess? I see them all over at meets and stuff, Ive seen 3 this week alone. Nothing fancy, its still an 800hp tank, 1 trick pony. Dont get me wrong, I refer to these as the AMG of American pony cars. Just crazy burnout machines, meant to put a smile on your face. If I woke up tomorrow and there was not a Chevrolet Camaro to buy anymore, I would gladly buy a Hellcat. But I would go into it knowing I have a car not meant for much else, its not the best car of the 3.

The GT500? They can add 1000hp for all I care, they still lack about another 5-10 years of proper chassis design and proper engine design. I wont hold my breath.

No denying this is a great time during the HP wars, but they are just that..HP wars. Chevrolet has stated REPEATEDLY that HP isnt everything, we focus on the overall function of the car, add power as NECESSARY.

You're making it sound like the Demon is a mass produced car or something. Maybe they're a bit heavy in your area. But they are very rare. There are only like 3000 of them that were made. And what you said about them being a 1 trick pony, that is exactly why Dodge made them. To cater to the market of people who want a high HP car that is big enough to fit 4 full sized adults who are taller than 5'7" comfortably, with plenty of room to throw stuff in the trunk, and that can rip down the track. And for the record, that was a huge untapped market and now they are the only ones who inhabit it. That is the draw for the car. On top of that there is a huge aftermarket with suspension parts to make it handle better. It'll never be a Z06, but people have drastically improved the handling characteristics. So imagine that. A large comfy car that handles well, runs 10s, and can fit 4 people in it.

[bomariam1]

we are forgeting that to unlock the full demon power, you need a special setup.
and more $$$$.

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[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by bomariam1

we are forgeting that to unlock the full demon power, you need a special setup.
and more $$$$.

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$1.00...and race fuel.

[Gunkk]

The crate option 110 tune race ECU is going to be available on the Redeye?

Doubt it, but if so the Demon owners will be piiiiiiissssseed.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by bomariam1

we are forgeting that to unlock the full demon power, you need a special setup.
and more $$$$.

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Well if anyone can't foot the extra money for the "special setup" then I'll let them borrow the dollar and they can pay me back...

[nicktechla]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well if anyone can't foot the extra money for the "special setup" then I'll let them borrow the dollar and they can pay me back...

Yeah that Demon box is mighty expensive! Too bad the ONE guy who didn't order the Demon box with his car, his car will probably sell for 1,000,000 at Barret Jackson someday. haha

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

I don't know that GM has so many engineering mistakes. Is there recall, or even a pattern of repeated cracking dashboards on Silverados?

No recall, that's the point and yes the cracking dash is a known Sierra, Silverado, Tahoe and Yukon anomoly. GM has consistently told it's customers it is a cosmetic issue even though it can interfere with passenger side airbag deployment. If you take a minute to Google the GM cracking dash problem it will stun you. With all the dash under the windshield that is on a Camaro I'd be equally concerned. GM should take care of their customers or they will lose them. That is exactly how Imports got their foot in the door in this country. The big three simply took the customer for granted.
And GM has a looooooooong history of engineering mistakes.

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by bomariam1

we are forgeting that to unlock the full demon power, you need a special setup.
and more $$$$.

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They are underrated at 808 anyway. Around 850 on pump gas for a bone stock car sounds like plenty to me.

Will be curious to see if the RedEye puts down the same ~725rwhp as Demon

[JUSTIFIED]

Originally Posted by Faster12

Since I haven't seen anybody go full crybaby mode, I figured I would be the first. WTF GM?!!!!! Now that I've gotten that off my chest let's look at some facts:

2018 Dodge Demon: 3,000 US units, $86,000 MSRP, 808-840hp (ECM/Fuel dependent)

2019 Hellcat: Non-limited production, $58,000 MSRP (reduced from last year), 717hp

2019 Hellcat Redeye: Non-limited production, $69,000 MSRP, 797hp.

2019-20 GT500: 700+hp and possible 10spd auto.

What a time to be a car guy! But more importantly, not the best time for Chevy to compete. I love the euro centric, world beater that the Camaro has become, but man, you can't go picking on Germany because you're getting your butt kicked at home. I have some serious doubts about a 2019 ZL1 joining my stable now.

I'd like to know from some of the insiders we've got here; what can OR will Chevy do with this information? Yet again we've seen mid-cycle refreshes that don't result in any performance increases, while both of their competitors have done the opposite. The hellcat got a 10hp bump due to increased airflow, and the mustang got a 25hp bump. I get the straight line crown is not Chevy's focus, but man o man this is AMERICA! Put some more ponies under that hood!

Go the Hellcat forums and read about all the crap going wrong on their cars. Demon and Redeye (these names!) will likely be no different. HP ain't everything.

[DrkPhx]

^^^ I agree. I actually like the Red Eye a lot, but Dodge's infamous lack of quality coupled with the steep price quickly remind me to turn away. No OEM is perfect, but at least try and focus on improving quality.

[JUSTIFIED]

Originally Posted by jjgi5150

Hi all,

Why do any of us buy a car like the ZL1, or any of these extreme high performance cars? Each person's answer will obviously vary in extremes. Some want to drag race, some want to street race, some want to closed-course track race and some want to just street drive and tour drive. Each can certainly enjoy their purchase for what they intended. Some, actually many on this site, want to immediately modify their ZL1's to add more power and enjoy that result against other brands. Also there is the auto vs. manual comparison, and the daily driver vs. weekend toy situations.

My 5 cents on this is very simple. There will always be a faster car than what you have. Even when modified, someone's other brand will also modify and still have a faster machine. I, for one, subscribe to the thought process that I want to enjoy the car for it's intended design, looks, handling and creature features. It's obvious that GM, and the other makers, can, and will continue to put out more high powered machines. I see it as a drivers choice to pick something they want for the style of driving they do, and the overall draw they have to the vehicle they have chosen. I don't street race and never will. But I still get 3-4 cars a day wanting to go stoplight to stoplight or do roll on races every time I drive. This includes stupid ricers with wings bigger than my 1LE's, to legit high performance cars.

I'm sure some other makes would win in some situations. The purpose build of my 1LE is high speed road course situations, and in that, it excels. I respect the other brands out there for what they are, and see the only real competitors for the ZL1 1LE as the GT350R and maybe the GT500, if it ever does come out. I do believe GM engineered a well balanced car that can easily handle it's design purpose, if parameters are not exceeded. I would bet that a some owners of these high performance cars in this class never use the factory provided RWHP the cars come with, or they use it like so many of the post "Cars and Coffee" crashes you see on You Tube.

As a side note, I wonder if our drive train and mechanical, ie: axles, transmissions, oil pumps, etc., will really hold up to the extensive mods some are doing. It seems these LT4's and related drive trains are factory set to their strength limits, and the sometimes aggravating computer controls limit potential damage and warranty claims. I really love my 1LE for it's looks and inherent performance. I plan on it being the last car I ever purchase. I'm sure soon there will be another latest, greatest that arrives. But I really don't see a need to change, as I seldom use the available stock RWHP for my type driving. My fun runs over the mountains to Temecula and San Diego, and even simple street driving, are all very satisfying to me as is.



Just my thoughts....so blast away at me if you must...


JJ

Good question re: drivetrain, but I know a guy who is road racing a gen 5 Camaro w/ 800 RWP. He has stock clutch, transmission, etc. No issues at all. Now, if drag racing, that may be a different story. Even then, engineers usually don't spec out components that can just barely meet the certification requirements. Meaning, a transmission certified at 500 ft-lbs is likely capable of far more. That said, if you add 200 hp and massive torque and expect to run it down a track over and over w/out something breaking, that's not going to happen. Even beefed up drivetrains eventually break with enough wear and tear.

[396ssrat]

Fiat appears to be selling the snot out of their Challenger. Their quality must not be too bad. Just saying...