[TransAmx2]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Very true! Wish the manufacturers could do something about this ridiculous greed!

Same situation when the hellcats were first released, now dodge has increased production on them and the dealership markups are falling fast. Ford might choose to continue to limit production on the gt350's and continue to demand premium markups. But now that camaro performance packs and models are being released that demand for the"Shelby" name might dry up also.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by TransAmx2

Same situation when the hellcats were first released, now dodge has increased production on them and the dealership markups are falling fast. Ford might choose to continue to limit production on the gt350's and continue to demand premium markups. But now that camaro performance packs and models are being released that demand for the"Shelby" name might dry up also.

On CarGurus there is almost 800 gt350 on lots right now, so adm's will be dropping.

[avalonandl]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I think they both sound great...just different.



Says a guy who drives, um, uh... "WHITE"?



I think I'm missing the point of your post when you mix the cost of a GT 350 compared to a ZL1, the sound of the Ferrari Jap car and the DNC??? Just curious what you think they have in common...lol.

My point was simply the 1LE will be an incredible value compared to the GT 350. And I guess my sarcasm was lost somehow....

[Cuda7050]

On the subject of the 1LE vs GT 350, the 1LE should do very well. Just this last weekend a 2016 Camaro SS posted the following lap times at Buttonwillow Raceway vs a 2016 GT 350:

Saturday Lap Times:

SS 2:09.657
GT 350 2:10.139

Sunday Lap Times

SS 2:08.814
GT 350 2:08.855

The thread with details about brake failure on the SS can be found here http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=461791.

While this is not a definitive test with the same professional driver like Randy Pobst, it is a good indicator about how the 1LE will perform against the GT 350.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Cuda7050

On the subject of the 1LE vs GT 350, the 1LE should do very well. Just this last weekend a 2016 Camaro SS posted the following lap times at Buttonwillow Raceway vs a 2016 GT 350:

Saturday Lap Times:

SS 2:09.657
GT 350 2:10.139

Sunday Lap Times

SS 2:08.814
GT 350 2:08.855

The thread with details about brake failure on the SS can be found here http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=461791.

While this is not a definitive test with the same professional driver like Randy Pobst, it is a good indicator about how the 1LE will perform against the GT 350.

Definitely giving some indication of how the SS will compare. For some reason, I haven't seen a direct comparison of the two by any of the magazines. Is Ford paying someone not to disclose?

Were the SSs you mentioned bone stock?

[Cuda7050]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Definitely giving some indication of how the SS will compare. For some reason, I haven't seen a direct comparison of the two by any of the magazines. Is Ford paying someone not to disclose?

Were the SSs you mentioned bone stock?

As far as I can tell the Camaro SS was bone stock.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Cuda7050

As far as I can tell the Camaro SS was bone stock.

I'm definitely impressed.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Ehh to me, it doesn't mean much unless they're both great drivers. I don't like to judge a cars baseline performance with two different people driving that I know nothing about.

Although, this is a real world example that Mustang boys keep talking about.. Post it on their forum. Lol.

[TransAmx2]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Definitely giving some indication of how the SS will compare. For some reason, I haven't seen a direct comparison of the two by any of the magazines. Is Ford paying someone not to disclose?

Were the SSs you mentioned bone stock?

Ford does not like to release vehicles for testing unless it's an Apples to Apples comparison (so to speak). In their minds the match-ups/comparisons should be;
GT vs. 1SS (V8 Sports Car segment, entry level)
GT Premium vs. 2SS (Premium V8 Sports Car segment)
GT Performance Pack vs. SS 1LE (Track Pack Pack V8 Sports Car Segment)
GT350 (has no direct GM competitor in Fords match-up logic)
GT350R vs. Z28 (Extreme Performance Specialty Sports Car Segment)

They don't like to release a vehicle for testing that could be bested by a lower segment car and while we all know the Camaro's are "punching above their weight class" it wouldn't help GT350 sales if it was bested by a competitors car from a lower segment and price point, no benefit to them.

Sure a magazine could get one for testing and compare it to a 1LE but if it pisses Ford off they might not get a car for testing next time, they walk a fine line between 3rd party comparison testing and advertising while also keeping the manufacturers happy.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by TransAmx2

Ford does not like to release vehicles for testing unless it's an Apples to Apples comparison (so to speak). In their minds the match-ups/comparisons should be;
GT vs. 1SS (V8 Sports Car segment, entry level)
GT Premium vs. 2SS (Premium V8 Sports Car segment)
GT Track Pack vs. SS 1LE (Performance Pack V8 Sports Car Segment)
GT350 (has no direct GM competitor in Fords match-up logic)
GT350R vs. Z28 (Extreme Performance Specialty Sports Car Segment)

They don't like to release a vehicle for testing that could be bested by a lower segment car and while we all know the Camaro's are "punching above their weight class" it wouldn't help GT350 sales if it was bested by a competitors car from a lower segment and price point, no benefit to them.

Sure a magazine could get one for testing and compare it to a 1LE but if it pisses Ford off they might not get a car for testing next time, they walk a fine line between 3rd party comparison testing and advertising while also keeping the manufacturers happy.

I agree with the break downs. But, man if Ford had some common sense they would think twice about putting a GT track pack up against a SS 1LE. They may not have a choice though...it's going to be a slaughter.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Definitely giving some indication of how the SS will compare. For some reason, I haven't seen a direct comparison of the two by any of the magazines. Is Ford paying someone not to disclose?

Were the SSs you mentioned bone stock?

Not really an indication of anything since if you look at the fast list for the day a Civic spanked them both by over 10 seconds. Amateur track days are almost ALL driver skill. For instance using my last track day you would say the it was an indication that the gen 5 1le was faster than a Ferrari 328, a C7 stingray and a Ford GT350.

[aestil]

Originally Posted by TransAmx2

Ford does not like to release vehicles for testing unless it's an Apples to Apples comparison (so to speak). In their minds the match-ups/comparisons should be;
GT vs. 1SS (V8 Sports Car segment, entry level)
GT Premium vs. 2SS (Premium V8 Sports Car segment)
GT Track Pack vs. SS 1LE (Performance Pack V8 Sports Car Segment)
GT350 (has no direct GM competitor in Fords match-up logic)
GT350R vs. Z28 (Extreme Performance Specialty Sports Car Segment)

They don't like to release a vehicle for testing that could be bested by a lower segment car and while we all know the Camaro's are "punching above their weight class" it wouldn't help GT350 sales if it was bested by a competitors car from a lower segment and price point, no benefit to them.

Sure a magazine could get one for testing and compare it to a 1LE but if it pisses Ford off they might not get a car for testing next time, they walk a fine line between 3rd party comparison testing and advertising while also keeping the manufacturers happy.

What is a GT Track Pack? Do you mean the performance pack with the staggered tire setup and 3.73 rear diff? Because if so the SS 1LE will obliterate that in every conceivable performance metric.

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by aestil

What is a GT Track Pack? Do you mean the performance pack with the staggered tire setup and 3.73 rear diff? Because if so the SS 1LE will obliterate that in every conceivable performance metric.

Yes I believe he means the Performance Pack, and you are absolutely right the new 1LE will destroy it! Hell, the 5th Gen 1LE beat it handily haha

[TransAmx2]

Originally Posted by aestil

What is a GT Track Pack? Do you mean the performance pack with the staggered tire setup and 3.73 rear diff? Because if so the SS 1LE will obliterate that in every conceivable performance metric.

Yes, i mixed up Performance Package GT with Track Pack equipped sportscars, corrected.

but yes, we all know a 1LE will destroy a GT Performance Pack, but I think ford would rather have that comparison and point out the price difference between the 2 showing the GT cheaper. Now if they allowed the 1LE to go head to head with a GT350 and the 1LE also beats that, then they get a black eye. Heck even if it's close to the GT350 it would be tough for a lot of potential GT350 customers to swallow the huge price premium they are commanding for a GT350.