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Is that being disrespectful?
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11-03-2023, 11:53 AM | #1234 |
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No, but name calling and telling other people to gtfo the forums because their view is different from yours is disrespectful. But let's not get into any of there here.
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11-03-2023, 12:08 PM | #1235 |
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Ok I promise to be nice……
I think the gist of my post was that the EV market should evolve naturally, as the market demand dictates. Not by policy. And if the market caps at say 10% over the next 10 years, that would give all the car companies in the world a much better spreadsheet to calculate their budgets. Right now they don’t know how much to spend on what, and worse they might have already spent more on development that they’ll see in return. Just let the market dictate what they produce, and if the market is so low that they cannot produce EVs in a cost effective manner than either they’ll only be for the rich or car companies will have to change focus. Hybrids should definitely be revisited now.
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11-03-2023, 12:19 PM | #1236 | |
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That said, the current state of EV in the real world is fire hazards, lack of reliability for charging, lack of real world use charging, and most importantly, the lack of legitimate recycling for the EV batteries. No one in their right mind is dropping 20-25-30k to replace a battery in an EV when they can spend fractions of that to replace an ICE engine. EVs certainly deserve to be at the table, and certainly we should all be looking for better/more reliable, more renewable sources of energy to drive our vehicles. However, the lack of effort being made to even really consider Hydrogen while pushing for these very dangerous EV cars is insanity.
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11-03-2023, 12:38 PM | #1237 |
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Yes! Hybrid ARE THE BEST ANSWER FOR NOW!
Full EV only IS NOT! Sure...make some full EVs, but we should not be looking to convert an entire brand line of vehicles to all electric (looking at you gm). Hybrids can work FOR EVERYONE and will slash the use of gas and carbon emissions immediately. Develop the battery tech through the manufacturing of hybrids. The argument full EV against range anxiety is always "well how often do you need to travel more than a few hundred miles anyways?" Let's take that further and just do hybrids with small batteries with ranges of 40 - 60 miles. It would still achieve the goal of zero or near zero emissions in daily use and no range anxiety at all. It would work for all types of vehicles also no matter the category.
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This thread is all about 2 different views so carry on with the debate... we all learn from it... but it's not going to degrade into personal attacks. ... |
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11-03-2023, 03:43 PM | #1241 | |
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Where you live (state), the city you live in, and where you tend to drive are all factors that dictate EV life. It may be inaccurate where you live/use it, but it could be a reality for those elsewhere. Obviously, if something is 1000% wrong, we have to call it out (whether we want to or not). However, we also have to remember that both things can be true at the same time depending on factors... Sorry, I meant to add this earlier and just realized I forgot to click submit lol
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11-03-2023, 05:32 PM | #1242 |
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okay, that solves some of the range anxiety and charging availability issues...
What does it do to affordability with two powertrains in a vehicle and a complicated electronic setup to seamlessly switch between the two? 25% increase in MSRP? Reduced reliablity with twice as much stuff to go wrong? Would all the OEMs still have to pay Elan/Tesla for doing nothing to obtain some imaginary carbon credits? What do you do with car with a hybrid car with ICE that goes for 20 years and 250k miles, when the hybrid battery craps out after 8-10 years? You get an ICE car's reliability with an EV's accelerated depreciation schedule? (sign me up! ...or not) Affordability is already becoming a real problem. Hopefully an American OEM reads the current conditions and makes few modestly priced sedans and hatchbacks again. Basic ICE transportation, sub $30k. We'll probably never see a full size truck under $45k again. The regulatory state is trying to limit the mobility of the middle class while demonizing it for "ruining the planet". |
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Its about 10% of the cost to fill a similar sized car with gas and renewable power is cheaper to produce in general, I have friends with solar panels and power banks that are effectively charging their cars for free. Quote:
That said I can totally accept the drivers would prefer ICE vans but they arent the guys paying to fuel them or attempting to make their company environmentally friendly, the screen controls and braking arent an EV issue. FWIW the Royal Mail here have transitioned to EVs and logistic companies are adopting them too. Last edited by docwra; 11-04-2023 at 05:35 AM. |
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It's great that we are finding things that work in areas, but in general, it's not. That's the truly bigger issue. I've long said I don't understand why new buildings, especially warehouses, aren't required to have solar panels on the roofs. I'm also at a loss as to why we're not using solar panel style shingles on homes in deserts and other places...
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11-04-2023, 04:11 PM | #1246 |
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Ban EV’s
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