10-30-2023, 10:30 AM | #1135 |
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I’m a V8 guy so it pains me to admit it but that is exactly what will happen. If there was a Gen 7 Camaro with an ice v8 coming I would have actually bought a Supra instead of my recently purchased SS 1LE. Would have loved to try out that platform/something different. Boosted V6’s make stupid power from just minor modifications.
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10-30-2023, 11:33 AM | #1136 | |
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Maybe part of the disconnect is because you're coming from a more densly populatated area (europe in general) with smaller distances and a more moderate climate. EVs are better suited for short commutes, and above zero degrees Farenheit operation. Power distribution is a greater challenge in the western US than what you're accustomed to. Distances here can be comparatively vast. From where I live, a round trip single day excursion to nearlest major metropolis would be around 360 miles, 3 hours each way on an interstate highway at 75 mph. That's right around the range limit for any current EV. Now, lets say it's cold, maybe some headwinds, and my used EV has already lost 5-6% of it's capacity. Probably not something you'll ever have to deal with where you live. I can make it easily on a single take of gas in my 22 year old luxury car. But you and now my own "representative" government, for my own best interests as seen fit by yourselves and not me, want to regulate it out of existance. Yes, I do resent this. |
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If gas in the US was $7.42/Gallon, "maybe" then the auto landscape would look a bit different. But I'm still not sold that it would. That being said, I just filled up my Tahoe yesterday for $3.09/gallon. His gas is over double ours. You wonder why they don't complain about EVs? Quote:
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10-30-2023, 12:57 PM | #1138 | |
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What they didn't say was the roughly $20k transaction price premium for the typical suv (say Equinox class) was unsustainable. Not enough customers to begin with, not enough of those can afford them (even with the subsidy) and they are losing money on the EV's anyway. To sum up the hundreds of words that were spoken by many industry leaders this week is simple. Reality bites. |
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10-30-2023, 01:20 PM | #1139 | |
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Ford can't just make the first 50,000 F-150 Lightnings slow and bulky then all of a sudden a better battery comes along and the next 100,000 can be produced in half the time with twice the speed and they can then cut the sticker price by $20,000 over night. I sold computers in the 1990s at Best Buy. I know what people are thinking. That really did happen. In that scale too. There'd be a brand new Acer Pentium 100 MHz with 16 mb of ram on display with 4 in the over stock, for $1999 and on the truck comes Acer's replacement for it, a Pentium 166 MHz with 32 mb of ram for $1200. And of course, the rich men north of Richmond are partly to blame for this as well. Forcing car companies into untenable emission situations without first proving what can and can't be done with the available technology while operating as a capitalistic free enterprise. This is getting dangerously close to, uh, NOT capitalism.
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18,500 RPM and run clean and smooth on ANYTHING flamable!
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10-30-2023, 02:43 PM | #1141 | |
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10-30-2023, 03:25 PM | #1143 |
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Wow, excellent video, pretty much summarized a lot of things I was already thinking... and finally explained why Jeeps are so overpriced!
Can't help but wonder if destroying or limiting the mobility of the middle classes is an unforeseen consequence, or an unstated objective of all this. I guess we'll have to find a new planet or start mining asteroids to find enough lithuium. |
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10-30-2023, 03:43 PM | #1145 |
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Good to see though so many on this site nevermind other places with basic common sense with regarding this B.S ev garbage trying to be rammed down our throats. It'll bit the manufacturers in the ass soon enough and I'm look forward to it especially gm....😂
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10-30-2023, 03:58 PM | #1146 |
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Another nail in the coffin.
The study authors say the $1.21 cost-per-gallon equivalent of charging a car cited by EV advocates excludes the real costs born by taxpayers for subsidies, utility ratepayers for energy investments, and non-electric vehicle owners for mandate-and-environmental-credit-driven higher vehicle costs, which they say total $48,698 per EV. Those costs must be included when comparing fueling costs of EVs and traditional gas-powered vehicles, TPPF maintains. “The market would be driving towards hybrids if not for this market manipulation from the federal government. We’d be reducing emissions and improving fuel economy at the same time on a much greater scale,” study author Jason Isaac told The Center Square in an interview. He then cited Toyota estimates that the batteries from one EV can power 90 hybrids and reduce emissions 37 times more than that one EV. https://www.thecentersquare.com/nati...b22909078.html |
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10-30-2023, 04:12 PM | #1148 |
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I do, but I’m not a truck guy so I tend to defer to those who are. On the other hand, the EV trucks that are characterized as lifestyle trucks are capable, but not for extended periods of time.
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