[FarmerFran]

EDIT: Wrong thread. I got the 2 mixed up...

[ModernCamaroZ28Fan]

Originally Posted by Malbjey

All I want to see is an LT1 with the option for Leather heated/cooled seats and dual zone climate control. Is that too much to ask?



Chevy already offers it as a relatively cheap upgrade on the I4 and V6 trims. You go from the 1LT to the 2LT trims and you get those luxuries (plus 8in screen) for only 2K more.


If you want that stuff in your V8 Camaro then you need to step up to a 2SS, which is 9K more than a LT1. That's ridiculous. I understand the LT1 is a stripper V8 but adding a those options won't put it anywhere near the 2SS in price. Yeah it may come close to the 1SS but who cares? Unless you are tracking your care you really don't need the 1SS, besides the tires.

This one guy on the forum was somehow able to negotiate leather seats with heating/cooling on his LT1 when he bought. Didn't add to the sticker price either.

But, I agree. Leather seats with dual-zone climate should be a must option, along with the Rear camera mirror.

[LT4Greg]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

I guess that's why GM were reluctant to offer the LT1 to begin with... people demanded a "stripper" cheap V8 trim with zero options, but now that it's available, some want to add one or two extras and GM gets the bashing for not creating a bunch of matching packages, too... more than understandable, but unfortunately the days of fully customizable options are long gone.

I agree arpad_m on the LT1 and some people even want a LT4 engine option which makes zero sense to me because it would probably add between 12 and 15 thousand dollars to the lower cost LT1 making it a $50,000 or more which defeats the GM purpose built lower cost V8 option Camaro that some were asking to be produced.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by LT4Greg

I agree arpad_m on the LT1 and some people even want a LT4 engine option which makes zero sense to me because it would probably add between 12 and 15 thousand dollars to the lower cost LT1 making it a $50,000 or more which defeats the GM purpose built lower cost V8 option Camaro that some were asking to be produced.

There was no middle ground for the V8 Camaro and I still don’t think there is. The limitations of standard staggered sized, summer-only tires on all V8 Camaros from the factory forced us SS buyers to either limit our driving to only almost perfect weather or invest another $2k in wheels and tires that are suitable for all seasons.

Now that they come out with a V8 that can be driven in all seasons you can’t get leather heated seats or dual zone climate control - both of which are fast becoming a standard or widely available option in the auto industry across the board on all trims, all models, in every segment.

Why make heated seats and a heated steering wheel in a car that can’t be driven in snow?

Why not offer heated seats and a heated steering wheel in a car that can be driven in snow?

GM really needed to offer the no-cost option of all season tires from the factory on the SS. I guarantee you sales would have been more since 2016, especially north of the Mason-Dixon Line.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

There was no middle ground for the V8 Camaro and I still don’t think there is. The limitations of standard staggered sized, summer-only tires on all V8 Camaros from the factory forced us SS buyers to either limit our driving to only almost perfect weather or invest another $2k in wheels and tires that are suitable for all seasons.

Now that they come out with a V8 that can be driven in all seasons you can’t get leather heated seats or dual zone climate control - both of which are fast becoming a standard or widely available option in the auto industry across the board on all trims, all models, in every segment.

Why make heated seats and a heated steering wheel in a car that can’t be driven in snow?

Why not offer heated seats and a heated steering wheel in a car that can be driven in snow?

Last thing i need is heated seats in FL. Had that on a 2010 5.3 Colorado that i never used but came with the 3LT.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

Last thing i need is heated seats in FL. Had that on a 2010 5.3 Colorado that i never used but came with the 3LT.

They are cooled as well.

[LT4Greg]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

There was no middle ground for the V8 Camaro and I still don’t think there is. The limitations of standard staggered sized, summer-only tires on all V8 Camaros from the factory forced us SS buyers to either limit our driving to only almost perfect weather or invest another $2k in wheels and tires that are suitable for all seasons.

Now that they come out with a V8 that can be driven in all seasons you can’t get leather heated seats or dual zone climate control - both of which are fast becoming a standard or widely available option in the auto industry across the board on all trims, all models, in every segment.

Why make heated seats and a heated steering wheel in a car that can’t be driven in snow?

Why not offer heated seats and a heated steering wheel in a car that can be driven in snow?

GM really needed to offer the no-cost option of all season tires from the factory on the SS. I guarantee you sales would have been more since 2016, especially north of the Mason-Dixon Line.

I don’t know the answers Petrol Head but agree with you on the tires for sure and heated seats. You would have to ask the engineers and marketing people at GM why these options aren’t on the LT1s and good luck with that.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by LT4Greg

I agree arpad_m on the LT1 and some people even want a LT4 engine option which makes zero sense to me because it would probably add between 12 and 15 thousand dollars to the lower cost LT1 making it a $50,000 or more which defeats the GM purpose built lower cost V8 option Camaro that some were asking to be produced.

I am sure there were people saying the same thing back in 1969 when the OG ZL1 was produced too....

Now-a-days people pay 6-7 figures for them....

[6sigma]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

There was no middle ground for the V8 Camaro and I still don’t think there is. The limitations of standard staggered sized, summer-only tires on all V8 Camaros from the factory forced us SS buyers to either limit our driving to only almost perfect weather or invest another $2k in wheels and tires that are suitable for all seasons.

Now that they come out with a V8 that can be driven in all seasons you can’t get leather heated seats or dual zone climate control - both of which are fast becoming a standard or widely available option in the auto industry across the board on all trims, all models, in every segment.

Why make heated seats and a heated steering wheel in a car that can’t be driven in snow?

Why not offer heated seats and a heated steering wheel in a car that can be driven in snow?

GM really needed to offer the no-cost option of all season tires from the factory on the SS. I guarantee you sales would have been more since 2016, especially north of the Mason-Dixon Line.

This! I just took my LT1 to run some errands and it is 24F and light snow right now. The stock 245 Goodyear all-seasons actually are OK in the cold. I would not want to drive on the SS summer rubber in this weather.

A big reason I choose the LT1 was stock all-seasons. It makes the car drivable 12 months instead of 8 or 9 in my area. I do not understand why GM doesn't offer performance all-seasons as an option on SS cars. There are several good high performance all-season tires in stock SS sizes - 245/275. I have to believe a lot more cars would sell north if they had the option. Hellcats up to the Redeye have all-season options and even the base C8 has high-performance all-seasons standard.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by 6sigma

This! I just took my LT1 to run some errands and it is 24F and light snow right now. The stock 245 Goodyear all-seasons actually are OK in the cold. I would not want to drive on the SS summer rubber in this weather.

A big reason I choose the LT1 was stock all-seasons. It makes the car drivable 12 months instead of 8 or 9 in my area. I do not understand why GM doesn't offer performance all-seasons as an option on SS cars. There are several good high performance all-season tires in stock SS sizes - 245/275. I have to believe a lot more cars would sell north if they had the option. Hellcats up to the Redeye have all-season options and even the base C8 has high-performance all-seasons standard.

You really shouldn't even drive the summer-only tires in temperatures that low even without snow or moisture on the ground. Below 40 degrees the rubber compound on high performance tires never gets warm enough to provide any kind of traction, and they stay hard as a rock. Even on dry pavement, in cold weather climates like ours these tires are impossible.

I understand that GM wanted to get the SS to put down the absolute best numbers on paper in the mags in the segment they could get, which would entail using the dedicated high performance summer-only tires. But they could have simply made all-seasons a no-cost option, and then you have a choice if you want your SS to have the best track and skidpad numbers or do you want to be able to drive it more than (in our case in Cleveland) 5 months out of the year.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

Last thing i need is heated seats in FL. Had that on a 2010 5.3 Colorado that i never used but came with the 3LT.

The 2SS seats are cooled as well. Well, actually just ventilated. But if you put the air flow direction to floor and the seat vent on high, with the air conditioner on it does a pretty good job of cooling your keester.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

They are cooled as well.

Still don't need that as well since i never drive for long.

[Malbjey]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

There was no middle ground for the V8 Camaro and I still don’t think there is. The limitations of standard staggered sized, summer-only tires on all V8 Camaros from the factory forced us SS buyers to either limit our driving to only almost perfect weather or invest another $2k in wheels and tires that are suitable for all seasons.

Now that they come out with a V8 that can be driven in all seasons you can’t get leather heated seats or dual zone climate control - both of which are fast becoming a standard or widely available option in the auto industry across the board on all trims, all models, in every segment.

Why make heated seats and a heated steering wheel in a car that can’t be driven in snow?

Why not offer heated seats and a heated steering wheel in a car that can be driven in snow?

GM really needed to offer the no-cost option of all season tires from the factory on the SS. I guarantee you sales would have been more since 2016, especially north of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Not only that, but most Camaros have a snow/ice mode! This type of stuff is way more useful to the majority of owners than the extra transmission/differential/whatever cooling on the SS models.



I hope Chevy doesn't make the same mistake if they produce a 7th gen. Or at least give us these factory options for a LT1 before the Camaro is (presumably) discontinued in 2023.

[ModernCamaroZ28Fan]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Don't get wrapped up in 'on paper' because such things are often wrong. The time that GM is listing for the SS auto is too conservative for example. If you checked what customers are actually reporting for their cars, you would see that the LT1 times on the dragstrip have been coming in noticeably slower than the SS times. Bottom line is that the slight weight advantage of the LT1 has not been enough to make up for it's inferior tires.

Again, those races were with inexperienced LT1 drivers or drivers who haven't gotten used to the car. People who actually know how to drive the car got the same times as those SS drivers even with the all-seasons. Those tires mostly become an issue with handling and tracking, not on the dragstrip.