[hawk02]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I am going tomorrow to see about the 2018 ZL1 1LE manual. But I have been reading about the supercharger problems and overheating which raises my concern. I have read that GM supposedly has fixed it since the previous model and now has the 11 coolers. Has anyone had any problems. It has been awhile since I have owned a GM, I have owned mainly Toyotas.

Motor Trend went through six sets of rear tires during their review of the ZL1 and couldn't get the car to overheat. I think the heat issues seen with the Z06 have been resolved in the ZL1.

From the review:

Here’s the part Chevrolet doesn’t want me to say: In the Z06, the LT4 has cooling issues. The mighty Corvette’s heart heat soaks or overheats. Remember those 11 heat exchangers I was talking about? The Camaro ZL1 will not overheat. I tried, but even after six sets of rear tires in four days—not joking—the thunderous V-8 never so much as simmered. Two of those 11 heat exchangers are actually the intercoolers that straddle the supercharger. They are redesigned and repositioned for ZL1 duty.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by hawk02

Motor Trend went through six sets of rear tires during their review of the ZL1 and couldn't get the car to overheat. I think the heat issues seen with the Z06 have been resolved in the ZL1.

From the review:

Here’s the part Chevrolet doesn’t want me to say: In the Z06, the LT4 has cooling issues. The mighty Corvette’s heart heat soaks or overheats. Remember those 11 heat exchangers I was talking about? The Camaro ZL1 will not overheat. I tried, but even after six sets of rear tires in four days—not joking—the thunderous V-8 never so much as simmered. Two of those 11 heat exchangers are actually the intercoolers that straddle the supercharger. They are redesigned and repositioned for ZL1 duty.

I did see that yesterday, that did make me feel better

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

I've been a manual guy forever. The A10 is the first transmission that might sway me, might. I love rowing gears, and I think the rev match and NLS and hill assist and all these nice little modern things will just enhance the experience. Sure you might lose (BY A FENDER) to an A10 on the highway, but you had a helluva lot of fun banging those gears at wide open throttle! But a competitive side of me does say "Yeah well he still won", and sure that gets me. I just fear that if I go for the auto I'll say "Shoulda gotten the M6" over and over. And no doubt, if I get the manual and lose a race I'll probably say "Shoulda gotten the auto". Lol. It's a vicious circle.



This is what's haunting me as I think about buying one of these ZL1s...Should I just get a C7 Z06? I mean if the rear seat is useless, scrap the ZL1, drop the 500 lbs, get the better aero, and in most people's eyes, a Vette is always a little bit better than a Camaro, and they'll probably be similar money for a car I'd buy (Gently used, sub 5k miles).

I don't know, I should probably start my own thread on this.

Not entirely true my friend. If you read the late 2017 ZL1 articles from most popular car magazines most of them are praising the ZL1 over the Z06 that even with non cup tires its putting is power better to the ground on a more controlled way, and also it does not have any of the overheating issues like the ones that you would encounter on the Z06. In a way its SUPERIOR compared to the Z06. Probably the ZL1 would follow closely the Z06 on a track because of weight and aerodinamics differences, but it would be more dependable and easier to drive fast.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

I drive a 13 M6 ZL1 and love it.
Meaning no disrespect to Guitarmeggdon, I watched his video with his brand new A10 and It seems so boring to me. I'm sure when the car gets stomped on it will take off like a rocket but what about just enjoying the drive??????
-Bobby

It comes to my mind that recently Porsche decided that all their 911's were going to be just available in Turbo and in automatic transmission PDK versions. But they noticed that a group of tradional Porsche owners were still interested on driving a 911 N.A. engines with manual transmissions, then Porsche came to the solution of offering them the 911 R, wich returns them to the basics of driving a sport car but for a ridiculous expensive amount of money (185K dollars), those vehicles would be limited edition and focused to the drivers that just would like to enjoy their driving experience without worrying that the PDK'S autos would lap faster than them. Just to the basics.

[mr965]

...and the battle rages on....

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by GoneBoy

Since you're a manual guy at heart, buying an automatic simply for that rare street roll race victory seems like a waste of 65k imo. If your passion is hitting the strip every weekend, well that's a different story.

I remember on my old '11 5.0 GT 6 speed manual with the 3.73 rear, I was very good at just before the red line doing my shifting without missing a gear, but every time that I encountered another 5.0 but with the automatic transmission, they would always beat my car, I checked with other guys from the forums and was explained that is normal that under the same conditions always the faster mechanism of the auto would beat the manual shift - clutch handled by human mechanism. But at the end I think that I enjoyed more my prior manual transmission car with a bigger smile and during spirited driving or at the track circuit was one of the greatest experiences that now I miss with my actual automatic transmission 5th.gen ZL1. My next car for sure would be a Manual transmission 6th. gen ZL1 or SS 1LE. I'm now 52 and still enjoying my driving.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I am going tomorrow to see about the 2018 ZL1 1LE manual. But I have been reading about the supercharger problems and overheating which raises my concern. I have read that GM supposedly has fixed it since the previous model and now has the 11 coolers. Has anyone had any problems. It has been awhile since I have owned a GM, I have owned mainly Toyotas.

The 5th gen ZL1 did not had any overheating issue, that is more related to the actual C7 Z06.
On the 5th gen ZL1 only the '12-'13 had a SC component wich was replaced under warranty, none of the '14-'15 have any issues their powertrain is bullet proof. I already have 14000 miles on mine without a single issue.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

I think what everyone that is debating between the transmissions need to do, is find an A10 and drive it. The manual is not going to be much different than a gen 5, if you've already drove one of those. Shifting will be the same. I love manuals and feel like I would've regretted buying one after finding out how awesome this A10 is, but does that mean everyone else will feel the same way? Many manual guys that have driven it have stated the A10 is the transmission they'd choose, but there could be some that would say they'd rather stick with a manual. I've yet to hear that, but it could happen.



Now I wouldn't say the back seat is useless like most everyone keeps saying. It works great for us with our 2 kids. My wife and I have even climbed in the back without adjusting the front seats up to give us any additional room in back and we can fit......fairly comfortable. No way would we want to go on a long trip back there, but a quick little joy ride would be no problem. I'm 5'9" 170 lbs for reference. So the front was adjusted for my driving comfort and I could still fit behind the front seat. It took a little effort getting my feat in under the front seat, which happens to be raised up quite a bit for better visibility while I drive, but I can still fit. If I were going to drive someone my size in the back, I could give up a little comfort in front to slide the seat forward and allow more room and comfort in back. At least for joy rides. More on rear seat room. As long as I didn't try to lay my head back, I had the slightest bit of room between my head and the roof. If I try to lay back, it will touch, so someone my height and size is about the limits back there.

I'm 5.8' and could not fit in the back of the 6th. gen Camaro, no leg space and I had to bend sideways my neck to don't hit the rear roof, knowing that I have two tall teenagers which sometimes go out on the weekends with me and my wife, which make impossible that feat to accomplish, it was why instead at that time I stuck with a very low mileage 5th. Gen ZL1, my other option was getting a Cadillac CTS-V at that time in order to get the same power and similar handling. Now my kids are going to college, that means I would not have to care for that rear space And it would be hello 6th. gen ZL1, SS 1LE or C7 Grand Sport.

[unavailablezl1]

All of my sports cars have been manuals...so, no regrets, none, Zero, nil

[OminouSS]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Not entirely true my friend. If you read the late 2017 ZL1 articles from most popular car magazines most of them are praising the ZL1 over the Z06 that even with non cup tires its putting is power better to the ground on a more controlled way, and also it does not have any of the overheating issues like the ones that you would encounter on the Z06. In a way its SUPERIOR compared to the Z06. Probably the ZL1 would follow closely the Z06 on a track because of weight and aerodinamics differences, but it would be more dependable and easier to drive fast.

I think lap for lap on a 30+ minute race things equal out. I think the Z06 design is just at it's maximum functionality. Practically speaking it can't handle more HP. It's not a great handling car any longer. That may be opinion but it's a prevailing one in my circle at the track and I think it is why GM has moved on to the MR design. If I was going to spen 100K on a coupe it would be a used 911, not a Z06.

As far as over-heating is concerned on the ZL1, I have not come close to experiencing it yet. We'll see in the coming months. The Vette guys are running spacers on their hoods to force more air in. Overall kind of why I think this Camaro is a better track car than the Corvette Z06. I would get filleted in some forums for that statement, I presume.

The back seat may not be functional but it saves you a lot of money on your insurance over the 2-seater. I think it's great for groceries and a jacket. It's also a permanent home for my helmet

I have to wonder if the ZL1 1LE will eventually become available in the A10. I think I would get it. Right now, I am trying pretty hard to find where the power drops off in the RPM range on the M6. I find it a little difficult to know whether I should have stayed in 4th or picked up 5th on long straights. Seat of the pants is telling me to stay in it but I think I'm getting another couple MPH out of the shift. Some straights are no-brainers, and some are really tough. The A10 would solve that for me. But I do love the long spread of power in 3 and 4. I can use the torque to get forward power even on gross short shifts. What an amazing engine. Anybody else working out that shifting nuance?

[nancygrl]

Originally Posted by big dave

This really is a 3 part question.

I know it's a few months old, but I just came across this post. My .02

First, did you get the manual because you really wanted a manual? Yes. Had the A8 in my '16 ss, just didn't do it for me. With a manual I feel more connected with my car. Feels like I'm driving the car not just riding in it. Not sure if that makes any sense, but that's how it feels to me.

Second, did you get the manual because you didn't want to wait any longer for the auto? Didn't want the A10. Nothing wrong with an auto, just not for me

Third, how do you feel about the car now that you've owned it? Had it less than 2 weeks, but absolutely love it. No regrets getting the ZL1 and going with the manual.

[rasracin]

Found the PDK in my 911 to be boring. Much preferred rowing the gears in the Z06. So the manual was the only choice for me in the ZL1. Having now driven both the A10 and the 6 speed I made the right decision for my driving style. I felt as though I was a passive rider behind the wheel of the A10 and an active driver with the 6 speed. I feel more in tune with the car when I'm bangin gears along with the increased fun factor.

[VAZL1]

Originally Posted by rasracin

Found the PDK in my 911 to be boring. Much preferred rowing the gears in the Z06. So the manual was the only choice for me in the ZL1. Having now driven both the A10 and the 6 speed I made the right decision for my driving style. I felt as though I was a passive rider behind the wheel of the A10 and an active driver with the 6 speed. I feel more in tune with the car when I'm bangin gears along with the increased fun factor.

[big dave]

Well it looks like we finally have a timeslip for a new a10 zl1. 11.306 @ 124.3 mph. 60' was a 1.80. DA was 2233'. This will be a 10 second car!!