[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by HuJass

That's why I used terms like: "toned down", "has promise", "like these" when referring to these concepts.
I know perfectly well that they are not manufacturable as rendered/modeled.

You showed a bunch of pics to illustrate concepts that were revolutionary, not evolutionary. But what Number 3 was getting at is that the constraints imposed upon a production car would eliminate pretty much all the revolutionary elements to those cars, leaving you with something that looks like nothing more than an evolution of the 5th gen -exactly the thing you were trying to avoid in the first place.

[90503]

...So what's the difference in styling between re-freshed, evolved, revolutionary, new generation, etc....?

I think maybe the idea that the 6thGen is all new in all areas, that the styling could have been more than evolved...If it isn't or can't be revolutionary on a new platform, then when?

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 90503

...So what's the difference in styling between re-freshed, evolved, revolutionary, new generation, etc....?

I think maybe the idea that the 6thGen is all new in all areas, that the styling could have been more than evolved...If it isn't or can't be revolutionary on a new platform, then when?

In another 5 years. Is this everyone's first rodeo or what? I personally can't believe they are giving us an entirely new chassis and drivetrain after only 5 years. It's incredible. Ever since at least the 80s the camaro and mustang have used evolutionary styling updates during about a 10 year period and then the styling will usually change more drastically.

Here's an example

82-92 camaro same basic design with updates in between

93-02 camaro same basic design with updates in between

Mustang from like early 80s until 93

94-98 mustang then evolved into 99-04 but same basic shape

05-14 mustang same basic shape with updates in between.

I'm 30 but I guess I'm an old man around here (been on ls1tech since 04)

Nothing that is happening is surprising or worrisome in the least...

Same goes for all the bickering and trolling... Happens every generation. The new camaro may wipe the floor with the stang... But then they will say something about the interior. If that doesn't stick it will be build quality. If that doesn't stick they won't like how it looks. If that doesn't stick maybe the visibility or rear leg room. And some in the Chevrolet community do the same thing back to them.

Idk I guess I'm over all that bs at my ripe old age and ready to just see the damn thing as well as its reviews etc before judgement is made.

One things for sure no matter how it looks or performs still gonna have plenty of haters. Same thing every time...

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by 90503

...So what's the difference in styling between re-freshed, evolved, revolutionary, new generation, etc....?

I think maybe the idea that the 6thGen is all new in all areas, that the styling could have been more than evolved...If it isn't or can't be revolutionary on a new platform, then when?

From what I have seen in the few teaser photos there will be no mistaking the Gen 6 from the Gen5. I think the front end may be the most similar to the Gen 5, but with the new hood and bigger lower grill there will be no mistaking it.

[RJZJR]

Well...I like the way the car is shaping up ...if they didn't change a thing and just lost some bulk that would have been perfect...lost weight, more hp,better handling, new colors,nicer interior hummm what is everyone bitching about... just glad it's still in production... still hoping for two in my drive this year a 5th and 6th Gen...

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by 90503

...So what's the difference in styling between re-freshed, evolved, revolutionary, new generation, etc....?

I think maybe the idea that the 6thGen is all new in all areas, that the styling could have been more than evolved...If it isn't or can't be revolutionary on a new platform, then when?

Refresh:

Generally 2 types, major and minor. A minor refresh is purely cosmetic and typically limited to changing the front & rear fascias while keeping all the sheet metal the same. The 2014 Camaro is an example of this. Major refreshes will usually include new sheet metal, a new interior, and possibly new engines. But underlying structural bits, plus suspension geometry and other fundamentals are kept the same. Occasionally, the line between a major refresh and a new generation gets quite blurry.

Evolved/evolutionary:

A design that has a clear connection to a previous design, but the bodywork and details are all new. The Porsche 911 has always been evolutionary with each new generation.

Revolutionary:

Complete stylistic departure from the model that preceded it, often only sharing general similarities such as seating layout and drive configuration. The 2014 Impala was revolutionary compared to the 2 or 3 previous generations.

New Generation:

Complete overhaul of all (or nearly all) components of a vehicle. The basic underlying structure is substantially modified or all new compared to the previous model. Requires complete retooling of the assembly line, possibly including the line moving to a different assembly plant. It can have either evolutionary or revolutionary styling -that is entirely up to the designers. The 6th generation Camaro is a new generation

It also bears mentioning that the 5th gen's styling came from the question of 'what if the 1st gen had continued to evolve for 40 years?'. Arguably, that makes it an evolutionary design despite being a complete departure from the previous generation. And I remember that there were a lot of complaints from 2007/2008 from people saying that it didn't look enough like the 1st gen, that it was too much of a departure (that was on top of the people that complained it didn't look enough like the concept).

[titanfan]

Digging the roofline but jury is still out on the total package. I'll render an opinion once the reveal is completed.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by RJZJR

Well...I like the way the car is shaping up ...if they didn't change a thing and just lost some bulk that would have been perfect...lost weight, more hp,better handling, new colors,nicer interior hhummm what is everyone bitching about... just glad it's still in production... still hoping for two in my drive this year a 5th and 6th Gen...

I like the way it's shaping up too! There are a lot of sharp edges and the overbite profile of the front looks mean. I can't wait to see the whole car, the new colors ( racing green please ) and the INTERIOR.

What tech and new options trickle down to the SS? What will the performance be? Engines? Top performance models to come later? All the future reviews, comparisons, ring times, etc.

It's days before Christmas! Rejoice

[Jshadow]

Back just in time! Can't wait to come back to Camaro! 2016 SS you will be MINE!

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I remember when first saw the pictures of the 2006 Camaro Concept. I was looking around online for coverage of the Detroit Autoshow. On the page was a pic of the concept, and I simply stared at it. I don't remember there being any caption or headline saying that it was a new Camaro. But I quickly realized what it was, based on that one image. To me, that is how it should be with a new generation of a car.

With the 6th gen, it is still clearly a Camaro. But every detail that we've seen thus far is different. The shape of the windows, the body lines, the grill, the trunk, the hood ... all of it. Similar? Yes, but thats what lets you recognize it as a Camaro.

Originally Posted by 90503

...So what's the difference in styling between re-freshed, evolved, revolutionary, new generation, etc....?

I think maybe the idea that the 6thGen is all new in all areas, that the styling could have been more than evolved...If it isn't or can't be revolutionary on a new platform, then when?

It's a new gen because everything except two little plastic emblems are completely new.

[RenegadeXR]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

In another 5 years. Is this everyone's first rodeo or what?

Yeah, this might not be so obvious to some folks. Remember the 5th gen Mustang effectively made a 10 year run from 2005 - 2014. The 5th gen Camaro launched in 2010, the same year Mustang had its mid-cycle design refresh.

Technically, if Chevy was keeping pace, they should have done their mid-cycle design refresh in 2015. Except they didn't. The mid-cycle refresh was pushed ahead to 2014, and even then, with a completely new car for the 2016 model year, that "mid-cycle" refresh is going to end up more like a "2/3-cycle" refresh. :P

IMO, they should have kept the 2010's styling until the 2015 model year without any changes and sales would have been fine. It's only because of the 2014 "2/3-cycle" refresh that people are now complaining there aren't radical enough design changes for 2016. The 2014 refresh was supposed to be the precursor to the 6th gen in style, but only in style, not function or performance. No offense to any owners, but this is why I consider it the "bastard" Camaro in a sense. It wasn't really necessary.

The 6th gen Camaro is going to be a real bang for the buck. With magnetic ride on the SS trim and the Stingray's LT1 under the hood, this is going to be a pretty good car for the price point. Well, not "pretty" good, actually *very* good.

[DanSS24]

I hope this will be part of the Aero. I like how the splitter looks is on this test Camaro and I hope it tested well. Hey Chaz, any way you can photoshop the splitter?

[fradaj]

I just noticed that the front splitter is painted all black, that would change the look of the front of the car quite a bit.

[ChefBorOzzy]

That's a high quality picture. Can't wait to see this thing and to see what color options are available.