[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

Best time to be a car guy right now no matter your preference.

You can say that again! We're in a new golden era of muscle! Enjoy it and be glad.

When I was at an HPDE and staging, the starter came around to check everyone, and he commented to me (because of my car and the many other Camaros, Mustangs, Corvettes, and the Charger Hellcat), that he was seeing sooooo many more American cars at the track than in years past. I told him, "you gotta let these bald eagles fly baby!!!" And, he laughed, and agreed whole heartedly!

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

You can say that again! We're in a new golden era of muscle! Enjoy it and be glad.

When I was at an HPDE and staging, the starter came around to check everyone, and he commented to me (because of my car and the many other Camaros, Mustangs, Corvettes, and the Charger Hellcat), that he was seeing sooooo many more American cars at the track than in years past. I told him, "you gotta let these bald eagles fly baby!!!" And, he laughed, and agreed whole heartedly!

YES!!!

This is so right. I think we lose sight of this with all the back and forth and blind brand loyalty.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by Bluecyclone

I've owned a 16 GT base model for a year now and have no vibration problems. My alignment from the factory was a little off,and the headlights are not aimed correctly. See sig for mods as to driveline, I did an X-pipe so I could hear my pony. This pissing match is childish, let's enjoy our experience and share knowledge.

A little good natured ribbing/competition is fine, but some have a zealous agenda and wear their ego sensitivities a little too outwardly.

These are cars. It's not a religion.
I don't get the rabid tribalism.
Unfortunately its part of our culture. People defining their own self worth by their own perceived public perception of the vehicle they drive. It's classic materialism. The individual being defined by their stuff. If someone else challenges the value of their stuff, its a personal attack on them.

I appreciate all 3 Pony cars.

I preferred the Mustang. The SS I drove was great, but I preferred the interior of the Mustang (its where I drive the car from). The performance difference between the two simply wasn't enough to offset that preference. I totally get someone else preferring the Camaro. Im not diminished if they do. For others.....

I don't own GM, Ford, or FCA stock.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

YES!!!

This is so right. I think we lose sight of this with all the back and forth and blind brand loyalty.

Yes yes and yes.

It's fantastic that as consumers we have all these choices now. It's fantastic that GM made the Camaro so good and is pushing Ford to make the Mustang better. It's not hard to see that for the most part in the past, the Mustang like others have said has been good enough in GT trim. That was it, just good enough and people still bought them up like crazy. Camaro came back and it has been a constant battle back and forth. GM clearly has the upper hand now, but Ford is battling back. It is great to see.

Camaro comes back to life, next year comes the Coyote and updated V-6

Mustang performance pack starts to show these cars can handle, Boss 302 brings even further handling prowess, Camaro then updates the SS suspension, releases the 1LE and then the Z/28 and really shows some amazing handling cars. Ford not to be outdone by the Z/28 releases the 350R.

GT500 was a boulevard bruiser, ZL1 came out with more power and handling to match. Ford responds with the Trinity and uses massive power to counter.

S550 comes out and finally brings Mustang to 21st century, then alpha Camaro comes out and just puts American pony cars on notice as the king of the hill and now the facelifted S550 comes out chasing Camaro and looks to be trending in the right direction.

regardless of how much you like or dislike the brands, the competition has forced them to keep striving to make the cars better. that is the back and forth of these cars in the last 8 model years. That to me is just amazing what the competition between them does.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Yes yes and yes.

It's fantastic that as consumers we have all these choices now. It's fantastic that GM made the Camaro so good and is pushing Ford to make the Mustang better. It's not hard to see that for the most part in the past, the Mustang like others have said has been good enough in GT trim. That was it, just good enough and people still bought them up like crazy. Camaro came back and it has been a constant battle back and forth. GM clearly has the upper hand now, but Ford is battling back. It is great to see.

Camaro comes back to life, next year comes the Coyote and updated V-6

Mustang performance pack starts to show these cars can handle, Boss 302 brings even further handling prowess, Camaro then updates the SS suspension, releases the 1LE and then the Z/28 and really shows some amazing handling cars. Ford not to be outdone by the Z/28 releases the 350R.

GT500 was a boulevard bruiser, ZL1 came out with more power and handling to match. Ford responds with the Trinity and uses massive power to counter.

S550 comes out and finally brings Mustang to 21st century, then alpha Camaro comes out and just puts American pony cars on notice as the king of the hill and now the facelifted S550 comes out chasing Camaro and looks to be trending in the right direction.

regardless of how much you like or dislike the brands, the competition has forced them to keep striving to make the cars better. that is the back and forth of these cars in the last 8 model years. That to me is just amazing what the competition between them does.

Very well said sir!!

I think we can all predict the S650 will better because of the Alpha too, just as you described happening in years passed. I know things are improving all around because I was very close to buying my first Mustang this year.

I have to say, I love how Ford builds engines, and they are getting closer and closer to putting those engines in a platform worthy of them(IMO of course). If not for the MT-82, which seems to be a little more miss than hit, I would own one now instead of my M3. I just didn't want another push-rod motor, love the Coyote, and overall just wanted something new.

If GM and Ford came together and put the Voodoo in the Alpha...HOLY COW what a car that would be!! I know that is blasphemous, and the pony cars are already amazing, but still.......how much import ass would a car like that kick!?!?! That's the best of both worlds in my eyes anyway.

Love that Voodoo!!!

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by germanicus

The MT-82 feels fantastic.

Say what, you ever driven a TR-6060? I owned one MT-82 and driven four...they all felt like a wet noodle. The MT-82 is a complete made in China POS...

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The problems/complaints with the camaro can't be fixed with an update (trunk space, rear seat space, visibilty). That's actually a pretty big problem to have.

None of which make sense to me. The visibility is WAY overblown. Once you have it for a few weeks and get the seat and mirrors adjusted, it is just fine...plus you have a back up camera and optional sensors.

As for the small back seat and trunk, who buys a Camaro for either of those two things? Nobody that I know...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

None of which make sense to me. The visibility is WAY overblown. Once you have it for a few weeks and get the seat and mirrors adjusted, it is just fine...plus you have a back up camera and optional sensors.

As for the small back seat and trunk, who buys a Camaro for either of those two things? Nobody that I know...

No people don't buy them for those things, but when they are worst in the segment don't get mad if people bring it up as something they dislike.

When I had my Mustang, it was my only car. I needed to be able to do everyday things in it. I needed my trunk to be useable and I actually did have to drive people around more than most with these cars do.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

None of which make sense to me. The visibility is WAY overblown. Once you have it for a few weeks and get the seat and mirrors adjusted, it is just fine...plus you have a back up camera and optional sensors.

As for the small back seat and trunk, who buys a Camaro for either of those two things? Nobody that I know...

Visibility isn't just about making sure the mirrors are adjusted properly.

I know plenty who base their decisions on backseat and ability to easily fit two sets of golf clubs in the trunk.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

No people don't buy them for those things, but when they are worst in the segment don't get mad if people bring it up as something they dislike.

When I had my Mustang, it was my only car. I needed to be able to do everyday things in it. I needed my trunk to be useable and I actually did have to drive people around more than most with these cars do.

That is like someone buying a full size, four door, dually, pick up, then complaining it is "big".

[1LEMATT]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

I know plenty who base their decisions on backseat and ability to easily fit two sets of golf clubs in the trunk.

That actually is sad.

[1LEMATT]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

None of which make sense to me. The visibility is WAY overblown. Once you have it for a few weeks and get the seat and mirrors adjusted, it is just fine...plus you have a back up camera and optional sensors.

As for the small back seat and trunk, who buys a Camaro for either of those two things? Nobody that I know...

Agreed. I'm on the shorter side, and have no issues with seeing out...yes, it's not like a Ford Taurus, but it is fine.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

That is like someone buying a full size, four door, dually, pick up, then complaining it is "big".

LOL I get what your saying just sometimes it seems some people on here get offended when people say the trunk/trunk opening is small and backseat is useless when compared to direct competitor.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

None of which make sense to me. The visibility is WAY overblown. Once you have it for a few weeks and get the seat and mirrors adjusted, it is just fine...plus you have a back up camera and optional sensors.

As for the small back seat and trunk, who buys a Camaro for either of those two things? Nobody that I know...

Originally Posted by shaffe

No people don't buy them for those things, but when they are worst in the segment don't get mad if people bring it up as something they dislike.

When I had my Mustang, it was my only car. I needed to be able to do everyday things in it. I needed my trunk to be useable and I actually did have to drive people around more than most with these cars do.

And let's be real, the backseat in the Mustang is as atrocious as the Camaro this gen. There is absolutely no appreciable difference in the two in that category. Entry and egress with both is laughable for anyone over 25 who is the size of an average American.

Trunk space I agree (not so much the space but the idiotic opening).