[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Post #1000!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 1295/SS

Are you sure nobody (not one as you put it) has taken their Z to a track? And how would/could you possibly know this?

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For all the folks in this forum whom claim to be track oriented and Ring times are the end all discussion is regards to vehicle performance I do not see any members using this car in that manner. You would think that some of this obsession with Ring and track times would carry over to owners. I don't see it but I see plenty of posts in regards to 1/4 mile times. Funny how this works out isn't it. Kind of proves the point that while track performance is an interesting magazine read it really doesn't translate to owner use.

[FastCarFanBoy]

[QUOTE=Bhobbs;9806039]The ZL1 1LE is the Camaro analogue to the GT350R. /QUOTE]

except its really not. We both know the 350 was a response to the Z28. It was never aimed at the ZL1... That is the 500's territory. The present ZL1 was a twinkle in Chevy's eye when the 350R hit the lots.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

As long as the venue includes straights of sufficient length and the more powerful car is at least competent in the corners, it should always win. It's as much a foregone conclusion as pitting a top light-heavyweight boxer who usually wins matches on points up against a full-on heavyweight knockout puncher.

When the venue puts handling on a more equitable basis with acceleration, the outcome could easily be different (and was, in the figure-8).

I actually like Camaros, and might even be driving one had that choice been available in 2007.

What I have less appreciation for is MT's approach to these comparisons. Where the matchups are more like what you'd see at dragstrip street nights, but could never happen in most other forms of motorsport, from autocrossing on up.

The sort of Camaro that would most closely mirror the GT350R would be an SS 1LE with a couple of the more important bits (LS7, wheels & tires) plucked from the 5th gen Z/28 bin. Both cars NA, one has a little more HP, the other a bit more torque. Would Chevy ever put that combination together? Would MT head to head compare them if Chevy did?


Norm

I was just pointing out that both cars have advantages over the other. Its easy to point out what the Camaro has, while ignoring what the GT350R has.

[QUOTE=FastCarFanBoy;9806579]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The ZL1 1LE is the Camaro analogue to the GT350R. /QUOTE]

except its really not. We both know the 350 was a response to the Z28. It was never aimed at the ZL1... That is the 500's territory. The present ZL1 was a twinkle in Chevy's eye when the 350R hit the lots.

Except it is, because the GT500 doesn't exist.

I doubt its as long as you think. GM said they were working on the new tires for a few years with Goodyear.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 1295/SS

Are you sure nobody (not one as you put it) has taken their Z to a track? And how would/could you possibly know this?

newmoon is the official spokesman for "most people".

[Mr. Meh]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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For all the folks in this forum whom claim to be track oriented and Ring times are the end all discussion is regards to vehicle performance I do not see any members using this car in that manner. You would think that some of this obsession with Ring and track times would carry over to owners. I don't see it but I see plenty of posts in regards to 1/4 mile times. Funny how this works out isn't it. Kind of proves the point that while track performance is an interesting magazine read it really doesn't translate to owner use.

Any? I'm sorry, solid disagree... There are multiple active threads on road course use for ZL1 and 1LE cars.

My ZL1 just broke break-in and I'm getting all my fluids in order now. I have a paid-for track day set for 8/7. Earliest I could safely do with work and break-in miles.

Tracked my '16 SS last year a couple times as time allowed as well.

[ChefBorOzzy]

[QUOTE=FastCarFanBoy;9806579]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The ZL1 1LE is the Camaro analogue to the GT350R. /QUOTE]

except its really not. We both know the 350 was a response to the Z28. It was never aimed at the ZL1... That is the 500's territory. The present ZL1 was a twinkle in Chevy's eye when the 350R hit the lots.

A twinkle in Chevy's eye yet it hit lots just a year later. Chevy must work fast with the parts bin!

[ChefBorOzzy]

https://youtu.be/fqzUMPPymPE

NOT A SINGLE ZL1 ON A ROAD COURSE.. LEL

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

except its really not. We both know the 350 was a response to the Z28. It was never aimed at the ZL1... That is the 500's territory. The present ZL1 was a twinkle in Chevy's eye when the 350R hit the lots.

The 2014 GT500 had a 157 HP advantage over the Z/28. How did that work out?

I do agree that the S550 appears to have been aimed at the gen5 Zeta platform Camaro. Its not in the same league as the Alpha at any level.

al·pha - denoting the dominant animal or human in a particular group.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The 2014 GT500 had a 157 HP advantage over the Z/28. How did that work out?

2013 and 50/50 i guess....It destroys a Z28 in quarter mile but gets destroyed on a road course.

that 4yo retired Shelby will still spank a new M6 ZL1 in the 1/4.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

A twinkle in Chevy's eye yet it hit lots just a year later. Chevy must work fast with the parts bin!

they made a 2015 350R, where can I pick up a 2016 ZL1? but yes I imagine cannibalizing parts from other projects speeds up the process

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The 2014 GT500 had a 157 HP advantage over the Z/28. How did that work out?

I do agree that the S550 appears to have been aimed at the gen5 Zeta platform Camaro. Its not in the same league as the Alpha at any level.

al·pha - denoting the dominant animal or human in a particular group.

Yep. I think it's obvious now that the alpha is an amazing chassis. I also think it's very obvious that the 350R was built squarely with the 5th Gen Z/28 in mind for cross town bragging rights on N/A track cars.

Where GM has the clear upper hand is that they set their internal marks higher. That is where GM gets major props and has the advantage IMO. That is why cars like SS 1LE and ZL1 and ZL1 1LE are so good, hopefully Ford follows suit now with the refreshed GT-PP(which I still don't think will match 1LE) and hopefully upcoming GT500. Competition makes everyone better

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

they made a 2015 350R, where can I pick up a 2016 ZL1? but yes I imagine cannibalizing parts from other projects speeds up the process

Common Mustang forum claim.. Doesn't matter the model year, the car wasn't out more than about a year before 2017 ZL1..

2015 and 2016 GT350 were hitting lots at the same time.

I know you guys love to claim GT350 was out on lots for 2 years before 2017 ZL1 hit lots.. More twisting of information when it was simply a model year thing.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

2013 and 50/50 i guess....It destroys a Z28 in quarter mile but gets destroyed on a road course.

So a massive power advantage wasn't the deciding factor on the road course (when the Z arrived in 2014). It had be be controlled. The Boss 302LS remained Fords fastest track car.

Now, in the 6th generation, the ZL1 destroys the GT350R on both the quarter mile and road course and it's dismissed as just power. Remember, Randy had a really bad day in the H2H and both manual and auto versions ran a hell of a lot faster previously.