[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by Joe Remi

LT1 is definitely a performance car, it's just more geared toward the street and daily driving. You lose a couple bells and whistles and get same-size all-seasons on all four corners. For a car that's going to travel to work during the week and do some cruising and backroad runs on the weekend - all at something vaguely within the speed limit - it's all you need and will be cheaper to run. Plus - my opinion only - I think the LT body style retains more of the classic Coke bottle shape and looks better than the SS. A little. Both are obviously great.

I would almost go on to say the Lt1 is good for the person who's only concerned about straight line speed and on the straight line drag strip. Someone who just wants the basics, the performance of the engine and build on that.


Sorta like the muscle cars where you could order them stripped down and bare bones for speed.


If the LT1 was widely available, I mean on dealer lots I think it would sell better. I think a lot of the forum posters on here would buy an LT1 if they could and custom build on that the performance mods they want to add themselves.


As I've stated before I would have bought an Lt1 or used 1ss IF the dealers in my region would have carried it in stock. Dealers however don't like to carry the LT1 or 1SS. They love to carry the fully loaded 2SSs and ragtops in order to get max profits.


That's another thing with Ford is the last few years the dealers are starting to carry the base model GTs on their lots more which helps Mustang sales. Chevy dealers seem to want to skimp and just carry the fully loaded 2ss on their lots or the cheap v6. I think that is a big factor why the Camaro just isn't selling well. Dealers not offering the more basic v8 models. Many can't and don't want to spend 46k on a 2ss when they can get a base model mustang for under 35k with rebates and such.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

And I can add this, my M6 LT1 Is a tenth + faster than my 'M6 SS. My best on the SS stock was a middle 12.3@115 after hundreds of runs. With my LT1 I have run 12.10@116 with several 12.1s.

Wait, you are comparing a modified car to a stock car with that statement.

Let's look at a legitimate comparison (when you said they were stock) of what you've reported for your own cars:
SS M6=12.3 and first run ever 12.7
LT1 M6=13.1 and first run ever 13.2

Conclusion, the SS spanked the crap out of the LT1, and you even lost 35 lbs, giving a small advantage to the LT1 by having a lighter driver on board.

[Wrecks24]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Wait, you are comparing a modified car to a stock car with that statement.

Let's look at a legitimate comparison (when you said they were stock) of what you've reported for your own cars:
SS M6=12.3 and first run ever 12.7
LT1 M6=13.1 and first run ever 13.2

Conclusion, the SS spanked the crap out of the LT1, and you even lost 35 lbs, giving a small advantage to the LT1 by having a lighter driver on board.

Please explain.

How did he compare a "modified" Car?

BTW The LT1 is the same drive train as the SS and 66lbs lighter, not 35.

All things being even, the LT1 by default would have the faster 1/4 mile time. the only thing that would differ would be that the LT1s smaller rear tires. but if if you put the wider tires on the LT1 it would be the quicker qcar.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by Wrecks24

Please explain.

How did he compare a "modified" Car?

BTW The LT1 is the same drive train as the SS and 66lbs lighter, not 35.

All things being even, the LT1 by default would have the faster 1/4 mile time. the only thing that would differ would be that the LT1s smaller rear tires. but if if you put the wider tires on the LT1 it would be the quicker qcar.

Simple, when he said his M6 LT1 is faster than his M6 SS, he was talking about his modified LT1 against his stock SS. His LT1 has been modified with a pair of 17" rear wheels running Mickey Thompson drag radials, and a Rotofab CAI. That was how he got it in the 12s. I showed the stock-vs-stock times that he had reported and it was clear that the SS was faster when comparing apples-to-apples.

As far as 35 lbs, I was talking about him as the (now lighter) driver, because he has said that he lost 35 lbs. Note that I said "lighter driver on board". I did not say anything about the weight of the car itself, and am quite aware that the LT1 as a stripper (deleted cooling package, skinnier rear wheels and tires, smaller rear brakes) is slightly lighter than an SS.

[ModernCamaroZ28Fan]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Simple, when he said his M6 LT1 is faster than his M6 SS, he was talking about his modified LT1 against his stock SS. His LT1 has been modified with a pair of 17" rear wheels running Mickey Thompson drag radials, and a Rotofab CAI. That was how he got it in the 12s. I showed the stock-vs-stock times that he had reported and it was clear that the SS was faster when comparing apples-to-apples.

As far as 35 lbs, I was talking about him as the (now lighter) driver, because he has said that he lost 35 lbs. Note that I said "lighter driver on board". I did not say anything about the weight of the car itself, and am quite aware that the LT1 as a stripper (deleted cooling package, skinnier rear wheels and tires, smaller rear brakes) is slightly lighter than an SS.

That all boils down to his driving ability, as far as getting familiar with the LT1 from the beginning. On paper, the LT1 is already deemed to be as quick if not quicker than the SS by GM. The all-seasons ruin the initial launch, making the car rather sluggish in the 0 - 60. But it catches up quite well at the end of the race due to the small weight difference.

[Venomcustom]

I would go 1SS just because I’m not a fan of the LT1 front grill.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by ModernCamaroZ28Fan

That all boils down to his driving ability, as far as getting familiar with the LT1 from the beginning. On paper, the LT1 is already deemed to be as quick if not quicker than the SS by GM. The all-seasons ruin the initial launch, making the car rather sluggish in the 0 - 60. But it catches up quite well at the end of the race due to the small weight difference.

Don't get wrapped up in 'on paper' because such things are often wrong. The time that GM is listing for the SS auto is too conservative for example. If you checked what customers are actually reporting for their cars, you would see that the LT1 times on the dragstrip have been coming in noticeably slower than the SS times. Bottom line is that the slight weight advantage of the LT1 has not been enough to make up for it's inferior tires.

[Wrecks24]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

LT1 has not been enough to make up for it's inferior tires.

That's an easy fix though and will inevitably be fixed when the old tires wear down and you replace them anyway. OEM tires are garbage from the start.

Most people serious about Drag racing don't usually keep stockers on anyhow regardless of the trim level.

The LT1 is a bare bones muscle car that is a perfect setup for the drag strip.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Don't get wrapped up in 'on paper' because such things are often wrong. The time that GM is listing for the SS auto is too conservative for example. If you checked what customers are actually reporting for their cars, you would see that the LT1 times on the dragstrip have been coming in noticeably slower than the SS times. Bottom line is that the slight weight advantage of the LT1 has not been enough to make up for it's inferior tires.

Stock, you're right. I'm afraid to drive my car w/o TC. When I can bark the tires on the 1-2 and 2-3 shift at the track that tells me I need much bigger bolognas out back. I feel the back end break loose all the time on the street when work the loud pedal.

So, yes, the LT! needs bigger, stickier, tires to see it's true potential.

I knew this before I bought the car though and always planned on new rims and tires as the first real mod.

The LT1 haters have always said that you should buy a 1SS because of the tire issue. Yet, they will go buy bigger rims and tires for their 1SS/2SS and that somehow is different.

[DorsoDuroJohn]

Lots of talk about drag strip and drag car. I bought the LT1 because it was a killer price tag compared to the SS. I didn't need HUD, or summer only tires going into the winter here in MN.
That said, I plan on 305's and a staggered setup in the spring to match that of an SS or ZL1 wheel setup.
The only reason I go on straight roads is to get to the curvy roads!!!! And the LT1 will handle them just friggin fine!

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Stock, you're right. I'm afraid to drive my car w/o TC. When I can bark the tires on the 1-2 and 2-3 shift at the track that tells me I need much bigger bolognas out back. I feel the back end break loose all the time on the street when work the loud pedal.

So, yes, the LT! needs bigger, stickier, tires to see it's true potential.

I knew this before I bought the car though and always planned on new rims and tires as the first real mod.

The LT1 haters have always said that you should buy a 1SS because of the tire issue. Yet, they will go buy bigger rims and tires for their 1SS/2SS and that somehow is different.

Stock tires suck on these muscle cars. One reason you see people fish tailing and crashing into the walls and such. Then add in drivers who can't control the power.


I can't understand why they put junk tires on the Hellcat from the factory and then you see people losing control.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

Stock tires suck on these muscle cars. One reason you see people fish tailing and crashing into the walls and such. Then add in drivers who can't control the power.


I can't understand why they put junk tires on the Hellcat from the factory and then you see people losing control.

In my opinion, the stock tires are pretty good on the SS for a street tire. When it comes time to change, I'll do more research on this, but the stats speak for themselves (see C&D's long term Camaro acceleration, handling and braking #s).

From C&D:
0-60: 4.0s
1/4 mile: 12.3s
Roadholding: 1.01g
70-0mph braking: 149ft

I think my 12.2s 1/4 mile times on the original 13k mile tires also shows they have reasonable grip.

[Malbjey]

All I want to see is an LT1 with the option for Leather heated/cooled seats and dual zone climate control. Is that too much to ask?



Chevy already offers it as a relatively cheap upgrade on the I4 and V6 trims. You go from the 1LT to the 2LT trims and you get those luxuries (plus 8in screen) for only 2K more.


If you want that stuff in your V8 Camaro then you need to step up to a 2SS, which is 9K more than a LT1. That's ridiculous. I understand the LT1 is a stripper V8 but adding a those options won't put it anywhere near the 2SS in price. Yeah it may come close to the 1SS but who cares? Unless you are tracking your care you really don't need the 1SS, besides the tires.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Malbjey

All I want to see is an LT1 with the option for Leather heated/cooled seats and dual zone climate control. Is that too much to ask?



Chevy already offers it as a relatively cheap upgrade on the I4 and V6 trims. You go from the 1LT to the 2LT trims and you get those luxuries (plus 8in screen) for only 2K more.


If you want that stuff in your V8 Camaro then you need to step up to a 2SS, which is 9K more than a LT1. That's ridiculous. I understand the LT1 is a stripper V8 but adding a those options won't put it anywhere near the 2SS in price. Yeah it may come close to the 1SS but who cares? Unless you are tracking your care you really don't need the 1SS, besides the tires.

I guess that's why GM were reluctant to offer the LT1 to begin with... people demanded a "stripper" cheap V8 trim with zero options, but now that it's available, some want to add one or two extras and GM gets the bashing for not creating a bunch of matching packages, too... more than understandable, but unfortunately the days of fully customizable options are long gone.