[Sledgehammer70]

Originally Posted by 20171LE

With all due respect, wrong.
Go test a Cadillac ATS and you'll see that the Camaro designer ruined the visibility and utility.

Just because people disagree with you gives you no ground to to tell other people they are wrong. I think the visibility is great. but that is me...

My rant here:



You also pointed at sales of a car vs cars that have their full line up. Camaro is just getting convertibles and I4's onto the lots, watch the sales continue to rise.

[Karma81]

American made, V8, Manual trans,good visibility...Gen 4 Camaro. Problem solved!!!

[andrec10]

Originally Posted by Karma81

Just out of curiousity, did you call the Designer a ISIS sympathizer too?

[activepat]

Originally Posted by jamh0619

well said.

Ill be in the market very soon for an American v8 coupe. Camaro is on the top then Mustang. I really love the Camaro specs, but the lack of space in the rear seat and trunk is something that have me thinking. i remember that someone said here that the mustang interior was cheap, and went to an auto show the other day and let me tell you that the interior fells better quality(soft touch materials) and the seats are more comfortable than the camaro(and my wife agreed), but the Camaro looks and fell more agressive.
It a very hard decision for me.

The back seat in both are for small kids or storage. The Mustang with the premium leather upgrade is the nicest I have ridden in. It is well worth the $500. The standard leather is comparable to the Camaro.

After owning one for 6000 miles I made the switch over to the SS. The Mustang has too nice of manors and the Camaro is the bad boy.

[Netslave]

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Wrong, they camarofied the alpha platform and left pretend back seats to lower insurance in an otherwise 2 seater car. With the vast number of camaro drivers fine with that.

if you want an ATS with more rear visibility, they do sell an ATS.

And there, once again, lies the problem. Camaro drivers dont mind. You want to attract OTHERS to become Camaro drivers.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Oh, this again?

Look, Camaro team did their homework. The majority of customers (not *just* enthusiasts) valued the style over the car over the compromised glass area.

If you don't agree - sorry, you're in the minority, and that's the way the world works. If it's that big of a deal, people who complain will buy something else...but some of the loudest are not...interesting....

Bottom line is, they heard everyone...and as a result, the chopped roofline stayed, the front view is improved over 5th gen, and while the rear window is smaller to see out of...all cars now come standard with rearview camera, and if you adjust your mirrors properly there ARE. NO. BLIND. SPOTS.

/the end.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 20171LE

With all due respect, wrong.
Go test a Cadillac ATS and you'll see that the Camaro designer ruined the visibility and utility.

Why didn't you buy an ATS or CTS?

I don't like low rise blue jeans because they aren't comfortable. I don't buy them and I don't rant at people who do or companies that make them.

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Camaro team did their homework. The majority of buyers and survey participants valued the style over the car over the compromised glass area.

If you don't agree - sorry, you're in the minority, and that's the way the world works.

Bottom line is, they heard everyone...and as a result, the chopped roofline stayed, the front view is improved over 5th gen, and while the rear window is smaller to see out of...all cars now come standard with rearview camera, and if you adjust your mirrors properly there ARE. NO. BLIND. SPOTS.

/the end.

While I dont disagree that there are no blind spots you cant seriously think there isnt a visibility issue when looking out the rear 3/4 of the car. The rearview camera does not help that.


And again, Camaro buyers would STILL buy the Camaro if it had better visibility. Yet, it chases away the perspective buyers when they go drive cars in this same class.

The 6th gen will still sell about 85k/year. Why dont we want to see that above 100k?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 20171LE

With all due respect, wrong.
Go test a Cadillac ATS and you'll see that the Camaro designer ruined the visibility and utility.

No. Not wrong.

The Camaro was not derived directly from the ATS, but rather utilizes a revised Alpha platform. Therefore, there was nothing to "ruin": it was a clean slate ( especially in terms of the roofline). If you understand how vehicle architectures work, then you know this.

[BradfordCamaro]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

.......... and if you adjust your mirrors properly there ARE. NO. BLIND. SPOTS.

/the end.

BINGO!

Don't forget to turn your head a bit and you can easily do a shoulder check as well.

[Sledgehammer70]

Originally Posted by bballr4567

While I dont disagree that there are no blind spots you cant seriously think there isnt a visibility issue when looking out the rear 3/4 of the car. The rearview camera does not help that.


And again, Camaro buyers would STILL buy the Camaro if it had better visibility. Yet, it chases away the perspective buyers when they go drive cars in this same class.

The 6th gen will still sell about 85k/year. Why dont we want to see that above 100k?

If you can't see the 4 lanes behind you... you're simply not adjusting your mirrors or you're to short for this car.

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

If you can't see the 4 lanes behind you... you're simply not adjusting your mirrors or you're to short for this car.

Not even remotely what Im talking about.

When I pull in to park, I literally back into every single space. During that parking maneuver I pull forward at about a 60 degree angle. You can not see to the passenger rear of the car. In the GTO I could easily look out that rear window and make sure there is no one walking there. Camaro you have to look out your mirror and if you have them adjusted properly there is some difficulty in seeing that passenger rear of the car.

[crabman]

Originally Posted by Modshack

That sort of sums it up. The success or failure of the Gen6 over time is yet to be determined. The Gen5 had lots of flaws but sold very well over it's run. I'm a conquest sale....I NEVER even looked at or considered a Camaro until they did what they did to the Gen6

Yeah, I'm coming from something German and quite a bit more expensive, I test drove the Camaro mostly out of a due diligence mind set after taking a C7 for a spin. I've already had a few Vettes and I like em which is probably why I'm still having a little trouble admitting I liked it more than the C7. I really believe they completely knocked it out of the park with the Camaro ride/handling compromise, I have never experienced better. I also love the engine and its just as loveable in the Camaro as the Vette. I suppose a lot of it is that I'm getting to be an old man and the Camaro is just a little more user friendly to pathetic old man.

Not perfect though, the interior materials are not terrible but if you're one of those conquest buyers you do notice it isn't what you're used to seeing. The view out of the car is not good, it's expected and part of this kind of package, I can live with it although the overgrown gauge humps and rear shelf shape didn't need to be there and IMO should have been skipped. I get the larger design points that make the car what it is but those are egregiously form over function without being necessary to that larger design.

The back seats and truck space don't have any meaning to me. IMO it's way better to have a beater utility car and a fun car than compromise your fun car and skip the utility car. If this thing had an actually useful trunk and rear seat it would be a different car with a different character. You cant have your cake and eat it too. Unless of course you put a check in the mag ride box but that's the rare exception.

Anyhow I guess I said it. I test drove a C7 and a 1SS on the same day and ended up preferring the Camaro. I would have said it never happens before then and I wouldn't have even tried the Camaro if it were not for the unanimous approval of the road testers about its driving dynamics and fun factor.