[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

So apparently this is the rear end captured from a YouTube video that got pulled.

Honestly, I think this rear end is no better than the 2010 - 2012 rear end that not many cared for. The 2013 and 2014 Mustang rear end looks pretty sweet.

I'm sure the GT version, which will likely have a rear wing, hood vents, different grille and maybe wider tires will look better, but not sure that's going to make me care for it much more.

That looks so much better than the photo of the rear in the magazine. Good lord.

I think it'll look better dressed up in GT trim as well. I'll wait for Thursday.

[J666]

That's the base V6 model. This is the GT, which looks 10x better, IMO:

http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-ga...l-details-news

[blk96gt]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

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In short, it sucks, and I hope Chevrolet never makes these mistakes on a future Camaro in the name of producing a global car. Americans don't buy German or Japanese cars because they're American. We buy cars that we like, and sometimes that means buying a foreign car. For the foreigners out there, there's something different about American GTs. We should keep our styling and branch outward, inflicting our style on the world. Look at this community. Look at Camaro5. We have people who paid way too much for a Camaro in Israel, the UK, Japan, Germany, the UAE, Italy, France, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Spain, Ukraine, and so many other great countries joining in this community to share in their enthusiasm of a fine American car. It isn't the Asian curves or European refinement that inspire these fine car enthusiasts from going to Chevrolet for their purchase. It's the uniquely American qualities that make the Camaro a success. Those qualities tend to include sharp lines, hunching shoulders, a long hood, aggressive stance, large wheels, irresponsibly high horsepower, tire-spinning torque, and simple engineering. Where are those qualities on the next Mustang? Some of them are there, but where's the American package with too much chrome? They even dulled the wheels to take off some of that shine that some of us are going out of our way to install in our engine bays. This Mustang is a collection of great features thrown together in a package that I'm sure won't sell.
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People pay too much money to bring cars from all over the world to America as well. It has nothing to do with "American qualities" and everything to do with the fact that maybe they just like the damn car. Many people buy cars because of what they look like, not because of who makes them.

Are there brand loyal people? Absolutely. Many of them are on this forum. There are also plenty of people who never owned or even liked Camaro's before the 5th Gen that bought them and are now on this site. There are also many folks who previously owned M3's, S4's, Accords, Mustangs, and every other kind of car that now own 5th Gens. On the other hand, I know of many hardcore 1st-4th Gen Camaro fans that don't like the current Camaro. There are also many muscle/pony car enthusiasts that don't care for them.

Basically all that above just means people like different things. You seem to be upset with the fact that the Mustang isn't built to your ideal definition of an "American car." I'm one of many that can't stand all the chrome. I can't stand all the chrome on my Chevy truck, but it pretty much comes standard now. Many of the younger car enthusiasts don't like a bunch of chrome bling either. Luckily many cars are starting to get away from that trend, so hopefully in the next few years it will become less prolific across all brands.

Wait a minute. You like something I don't? Holy shit, stop the presses. Luckily there are lots of different options for cars and not all Americans have to like your definition of what a pony car should be.

Ultimately Ford is out to make money. They make more money by selling more cars. To sell more cars, you have to appeal to a broader audience while still appealing to current owners. This is a tough line to straddle, and you're going to lose some customers along the way, but the hope is you brought in more customers by changing to a more globally appealing look.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by blk96gt

People pay too much money to bring cars from all over the world to America as well. It has nothing to do with "American qualities" and everything to do with the fact that maybe they just like the damn car. Many people buy cars because of what they look like, not because of who makes them.

Are there brand loyal people? Absolutely. Many of them are on this forum. There are also plenty of people who never owned or even liked Camaro's before the 5th Gen that bought them and are now on this site. There are also many folks who previously owned M3's, S4's, Accords, Mustangs, and every other kind of car that now own 5th Gens. On the other hand, I know of many hardcore 1st-4th Gen Camaro fans that don't like the current Camaro. There are also many muscle/pony car enthusiasts that don't care for them.

Basically all that above just means people like different things. You seem to be upset with the fact that the Mustang isn't built to your ideal definition of an "American car." I'm one of many that can't stand all the chrome. I can't stand all the chrome on my Chevy truck, but it pretty much comes standard now. Many of the younger car enthusiasts don't like a bunch of chrome bling either. Luckily many cars are starting to get away from that trend, so hopefully in the next few years it will become less prolific across all brands.

Wait a minute. You like something I don't? Holy shit, stop the presses. Luckily there are lots of different options for cars and not all Americans have to like your definition of what a pony car should be.

Ultimately Ford is out to make money. They make more money by selling more cars. To sell more cars, you have to appeal to a broader audience while still appealing to current owners. This is a tough line to straddle, and you're going to lose some customers along the way, but the hope is you brought in more customers by changing to a more globally appealing look.

Agreed.

It's not that they are copying Euro or Global styling. It's simply that to sell globally there are specific requirements that must be met.

- small size for tight roads and crappy parking beyond anything you can imagine here. If you haven't been to Japan and seen a rotating elevator parking garage you won't understand

- small engine. In most countries, you pay an additional tax for engine displacement. Has nothing to do with CAFE or any FE rating. A 2.0 L is big taxes, go above 3.0 L and you are paying HUGE.

- features and tech. There is an expectation that a small car is not a crappy car. All the features and technology are required in other countries. The US is still in the "if you want more luxury or more features, buy a bigger car"

Its not that an American won't buy a European or Global car, they will and do in GIANT NUMBERS. It's simply that a car the size of the Camaro with an engine as big as even a 3.6L WILL NOT sell there.

So if you want development dollars devoted to your car you need the car to appeal to a greater audience.

And anyone that thinks the Corvette went "Euro" simply because they finally got the chassis balance right and finally put a competitive interior in it you are missing the point. Europeans still don't recognize the car and Porsche buyers in the US didn't all suddenly go, "hey, lets run down to the Chevy dealer and check that out". It takes years.

The reason the BMW 3 Series (and now 4) is such a great car is simply that the development $$ are spent on a car with over 400,000 units sold around the world. The economies of scale are huge at that volume. Cadillac has a huge hill to climb even if they hit 100,000 units which would be a great success.

Not suggesting the new Mustang is going to be a hit or even be successful around the world. But lets see how the global sales go. If the Mustang suddenly becomes a 200,000 unit global car compared to the 100,000 unit US Camaro I predict at least one thread on why GM doesn't spend as much money on the Camaro as Ford does on the Mustang.

The risk is simply did they improve the overall sales volumes or did they hurt US sales with no global payback???

But as usual......................just an opinion.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by meissen

Couldn't they have done a better job making it so it doesn't look like they're copying the Camaro's wheel?

It doesn't really look that different from the current wheel.

I don't like the exterior, but I think it has potential to look good with a better stance and more aggressive lips/spoilers. The GT might look great. We'll see.

[roorback]

That rear diffuser looks ridiculously stupid

- Signed
2014 Camaro Chrome Strips and taillights

[backtotintops]

I don't think ford even cares about looks...they will have nothing on the z/28!
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...l#post13694140

[Deftones]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=331009&page=4

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by meissen

Maybe it's just me, but ....

YEP, they are round. That's about where it stops for me. Totally different otherwise.

[motorhead]

I'm liking everything I'm seeing here so far.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by blk96gt

People pay too much money to bring cars from all over the world to America as well. It has nothing to do with "American qualities" and everything to do with the fact that maybe they just like the damn car. Many people buy cars because of what they look like, not because of who makes them.

Are there brand loyal people? Absolutely. Many of them are on this forum. There are also plenty of people who never owned or even liked Camaro's before the 5th Gen that bought them and are now on this site. There are also many folks who previously owned M3's, S4's, Accords, Mustangs, and every other kind of car that now own 5th Gens. On the other hand, I know of many hardcore 1st-4th Gen Camaro fans that don't like the current Camaro. There are also many muscle/pony car enthusiasts that don't care for them.

Basically all that above just means people like different things. You seem to be upset with the fact that the Mustang isn't built to your ideal definition of an "American car." I'm one of many that can't stand all the chrome. I can't stand all the chrome on my Chevy truck, but it pretty much comes standard now. Many of the younger car enthusiasts don't like a bunch of chrome bling either. Luckily many cars are starting to get away from that trend, so hopefully in the next few years it will become less prolific across all brands.

Wait a minute. You like something I don't? Holy shit, stop the presses. Luckily there are lots of different options for cars and not all Americans have to like your definition of what a pony car should be.

Ultimately Ford is out to make money. They make more money by selling more cars. To sell more cars, you have to appeal to a broader audience while still appealing to current owners. This is a tough line to straddle, and you're going to lose some customers along the way, but the hope is you brought in more customers by changing to a more globally appealing look.

This is good. We have different opinions on this, and I'm glad we disagree. I gave chrome as an example of something pretty typical for an American product. That doesn't mean I'm going to chrome out my Camaro. It just seems that there's a lot more chrome available on American products than international ones. Look at our trucks, for instance.

Of course Ford is out to make money, and they're doing it the wrong way. People overseas are buying cars, not because they look like they were built locally but instead because they were built uniquely.

For example, people aren't buying a BMW for being a brute muscle car. They buy BMWs for that BMW design. Do you think BMW changes their product for each market just a little? Of course they do! If they didn't try to look at the demographics of each market, they'd be fools, but a 3-series still looks like a 3-series in Japan.

The idea here is that a Mustang should retain what makes a Mustang when it sells overseas or globally. If it doesn't retain Mustang-like characteristics, they lost their way.

In conclusion, I don't like the new Mustang. I was never going to buy one, especially considering I got my Camaro SS less than a week ago, but I don't like it. I don't like it because it doesn't look like a Mustang. I want to recognize a Mustang and know that my most popular competitor is faring well. It reassures me that my car has a future. Without competition, there might not be a market for the Camaro at all.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

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In short, it sucks, and I hope Chevrolet never makes these mistakes on a future Camaro in the name of producing a global car. Americans don't buy German or Japanese cars because they're American. We buy cars that we like, and sometimes that means buying a foreign car. For the foreigners out there, there's something different about American GTs. We should keep our styling and branch outward, inflicting our style on the world. Look at this community. ....

Originally Posted by nester7929

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I don't want the Mustang to become more refined, I want it to become LESS refined. I don't want it dressed in a suit, I want it to be the drunken uncle that shows up late to a wedding sporting a denim jacket and a bad haircut. That's why we buy these cars, and the fact that Ford forgot this is incredible.

I'm glad I'm not the only one here that feels this way. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the car is horrible (I'm in the "its Ok, but not wowing me crowd), and I'm sure other trims will look better and more aggressive but I am on the same page as you guys. I think this car will sell, but it won't sell because of the same reasons....the Mustang lost some of that brute American character that it had. It lost much of the originality that it once had due to it getting the "corporate grille". The Fusion is a good looking car, but by God why did Ford feel like the iconic Mustang needed to look like every other vehicle in the lineup. The uniqueness of the Mustang and Camaro are part of the appeal. In short, I feel like this car lost some of the "soul" of what makes an American muscle car. If Chevrolet gives the next gen Camaro a corporate look to make it a bit Impala and Malibu like I will be pissed.

Originally Posted by J666

That's the base V6 model. This is the GT, which looks 10x better, IMO:

Wrong...that is a Photoshop....pure and simple. Sure...it looks close, but there are characteristics of that rendering that are just plain wrong(headlights for one). The GT will be getting the bars in the grille, and vents on the hood like that rendering have (maybe different location), along with other things but that is not the exact car is what I'm trying to say.

[LBreezie]

Imo the last gen looked better 2013-2014, this looks like a ford fusion coupe..

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

In conclusion, I don't like the new Mustang. I was never going to buy one, especially considering I got my Camaro SS less than a week ago, but I don't like it. I don't like it because it doesn't look like a Mustang. I want to recognize a Mustang and know that my most popular competitor is faring well. It reassures me that my car has a future. Without competition, there might not be a market for the Camaro at all.

I wouldn't worry about that. This new Mustang will sell like hot cakes. You're just wired to not like Mustangs that's why you don't like it. I don't think that Ford lost their way at all. It's very modern to me, but yet still very much has the classic Mustang appeal. If they are fast and handle well, I'll be owning one for sure.

I feel sure that Camaro won't be going anywhere anytime soon.