[gippy87]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Sure, tech gets in customer vehicle and has grease on his elbow. Shop policy is to wash up before entering said vehicle and tech just simply misses the spot on his elbow and gets a smudge on he arm rest or other area.

Back to the point at hand.....

Mr. slacker oil change tech probably does 12 oil changes a day. I'd say each one takes 30 minutes and technically that would be 16 a day, but he's a slacker as we've already established, so let's call it 12.

They use a dispenser system at this dealer to put the oil in the sump, which is pretty common. They're not pouring the oil in from containers. The SM mentioned this as a big risk when we chatted as the dispenser system can get off on calibration and not dispense the commanded amount of oil. We see this in my example as the paperwork showed 9.0 qts dispensed, but I only got 8.5. 1/2 a quart isn't terrible but it would be on the edge of what I'd be OK with as a SM and would want it something less than that.

Now let's discuss what would happen if that dispenser got way off. Now it's only dispensing 2.5 quarts. Mr. slacker oil change tech performs 12 oil changes and summarily burns up 12 engines in the process as the improper amount of oil was dispensed AND he didn't catch the issue as he was not checking the dip stick as he was trained.

Pretty expensive day for the service department, and I'd wager more folks than just Mr. slacker tech would lose their jobs.

I also gotta wonder if I come back in 6 months and post a similar thread, only instead of referencing my Camaro, I instead reference my Dodge Challenger. I wonder if all these "oh it's no big deal" responses would be the same, or would it be dog pile on the idiots at Dodge LOL. Would be an interesting experiment and would be telling for the character of information one could reasonably expect from this forum.

OH, and Mr. slacker oil change tech also did not reset the oil change monitor in the car. That was the first indication I saw of potential problems on the drive home.

grease in your interior would have been a bigger headache than the 1 quart of oil you were low lol.

To be honest im just messing with you. its a new car and it means a lot to you and everything needs to be perfect I get it. If it happened to me id let them know as well and then probably wouldnt return my car to them for any future service. The reason everyones busting your balls is because you are saying you understand how the pickup tube and oil system works but then suggest that it could in some way have damaged the engine or possibly result in metal in the oil.. no one cares if you dont understand the internals of an engine, most people probably dont but dont sit here and say you do and then get so defensive when those who do fully understand the engine say you have nothing to worry about.

[Corner carver]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

Oil Change instructions for Women:
1) Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the last oil change.. 2) Drink a cup of coffee 3) 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained vehicle.
Money spent: Oil Change: $20.00 Coffee: $1.00 Total: $21.00


Oil Change instructions for Men :
1) Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of oil, filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a check for $50.00. 2) Stop by 7/11 and buy a case of beer, write a check for $20, drive home. 3) Open a beer and drink it. 4) Jack car up. Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands. 5) Find jack stands under kid's pedal car. 6) In frustration, open another beer and drink it. 7) Place drain pan under engine. 8) Look for 9/16 box end wrench. 9) Give up and use crescent wrench. 10) Unscrew drain plug. 11) Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on you in process. Cuss.. 12) Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off of face and arms.Throw kitty litter on spilled oil. 13) Have another beer while watching oil drain. 14) Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench. 15) Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil filter and twist off. 16) Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil everywhere from holes. Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to avoid environmental penalties. Drink a beer. 17) Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to gasket surface. 18) Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine. 19) Remember drain plug from step 11. 20) Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan. 21) Drink beer. 22) Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor. Throw kitty litter on oil spill. 23) Get drain plug back in with only a minor spill. Drink beer. 24) Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes. Wipe eyes with oily rag used to clean drain plug. Slip with stupid crescent wrench tightening drain plug and bang knuckles on frame removing any excess skin between knuckles and frame. 25) Begin cussing fit. 26) Throw stupid crescent wrench. 27) Cuss for additional 5 minutes because wrench hit bowling trophy. 28) Beer. 29) Clean up hands and bandage as required to stop blood flow. 30) Beer. 31) Dump in five fresh quarts of oil. 32) Beer. 33) Lower car from jack stands.. 34) Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled during any missed steps. 35) Beer. 36) Test drive car. 37) Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence. 38) Car gets impounded. 39) Call loving wife, make bail. 40) 12 hours later, get car from impound yard.
Money spent: Parts: $50.00 DUI: $2500.00 Impound fee: $75.00 Bail: $1500.00 Beer: $20.00 Total: $4,145.00 But you know the job was done right!

You watched my last oil change from the bushes?!

[00 Trans Ram]

Originally Posted by glovo

**** off deslers are sneaky bastards we all know this

May be true (though, for some reason, the words "stereotype" and "prejudiced" come to mind).

But, they're still not GM employees.

[Blazin383]

Originally Posted by GTIanZ28

at 1.5 qt low shouldn't there be a "Low Oil" warning? If they can do it for fuel why couldn't they do it for Oil?

BMW does! I have two BMWs and neither even has a dip stick! Freaks me out! But, they have a readout that will tell you what the oil level is, and how many more miles until it needs to be change. As a side note, the change interval on the BMWs is 16,000 miles. They also display how many more miles until the brakes on each axle need to be changed etc! I'm sure Chevy could do the same if they wanted to!

[Glen e]

So does the Camaro, mine went on when I was 2 qts down, running a short distance to go pick up 2 more qts of M1.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by gippy87

The reason everyones busting your balls is because you are saying you understand how the pickup tube and oil system works but then suggest that it could in some way have damaged the engine or possibly result in metal in the oil.. no one cares if you dont understand the internals of an engine, most people probably dont but dont sit here and say you do and then get so defensive when those who do fully understand the engine say you have nothing to worry about.

Look, don't insult my intelligence. I'm well aware the oil pickup tube is right outside the intake and pick up oil in a thingie that looks like a shower head and sprinkles oil on all the metal thingies in the engine, then a fan like thingie whips around spraying oil everywhere to get all the parts lubricated. I've built a few engines in my life gimme a break geeze.

[c4racer]

You are leaving out the leprechauns with little water cans that run around sprinkling oil inside the engine. I mean have you ever been in there when it's running ? Didn't think so.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by c4racer

You are leaving out the leprechauns with little water cans that run around sprinkling oil inside the engine. I mean have you ever been in there when it's running ? Didn't think so.

[Meteorma]

What a tool

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Meteorma

What a tool

Sure are I mean is.

[Sunsnare98]

Originally Posted by 00 Trans Ram

I'm going to be VERY restrained here, so I'll just say . . .

If the dealer went to those lengths (drove to your house, pay for oil analysis, etc.) because there was 1qt less . . . you should go to that dealership EVERY TIME. I can promise you that no other dealership in the country (perhaps "world"), and no other garage/mechanic in the country either, would have bent over so far backwards for you.

Anyone else would have said, "Oh, 1 qt low? Sorry. Come on by whenever you get a chance and we'll top it off for you. We'll even throw in 5% off on your next visit."

(Note - that 5% off would be from the BEST other places. Most places would tell you they'll put another quart in, and that would be that.)

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You know, now that I've typed this up, I realize that I'm wrong. Most places (dealerships and garages) would have said, "I don't know. We put 10 quarts in there. Something must be wrong with your dipstick. Bring it back in and we'll take a look at that (at our normal rate of $60/hr)."

Every other dealership would blame it on your aftermarket exhaust and cai lol.

[SS376]

It's been my experience that dealers are for warranty work and nothing else. I've had equally idiotic experiences at Chevy and Toyota dealers, so I think it's just the nature of the beast. At least when I take my 4runner in I get a free breakfast while they f**k up my car.

[unavailablezl1]

NEVER NEVER, one more NEVER feel bad about checking a dealers work. When I brought my (sold) 2014 Mustang GT Track Pack to Grapevine Ford, it requires different (better) oil. I even told them, "it takes different oil then the regular GT", what did they do. Duh, put in the wrong oil and I even supplied the Ford Racing oil filter for $18. So when the Service writer was telling what they did. I told them to take it back and change it again. Pity and Full. Part of the Moron family...first name Mo.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

Can you give us an example of a mistake that isn't due to negligence?

What profession is it that doesn't make mistakes, It sure isnt NASA, or our government, or Defense industry.
Now that I think about, I don't remember ever meeting a human that didn't make mistakes on a daily basis.
I have meet a few that denied making mistakes, but none that were as perfect as they thought they were.

Mistakes...what are they? Human learning events. They can be physical or mental. So the worst possible "mistake" happened to one if my best friends whose is the best Mercedes mechanic in north Houston. Impeccable. Ratings through the roof at the dealership. He was working on the car of Magic Johnson of the Houston Rockets, and he was going thru a bad divorce. Just the usual $3000 30k mileage checkup. And he forgot to put oil in the car. It obviously burned the motor up, he had to rebuild the motor all on his dime. That was the last time they ever saw Magic. Mistakes happen....