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The ATS V6 starts around $40K. Do you sell the same V6 in a Camaro that starts around $24K? Of course, one could argue that GM is already doing that with the current Camaro V6. However, at this point, with the Camaro on a different platform, it's sort of an apples-oranges thing. But moving the Camaro onto the Alpha platform is a game-changer. Now all of a sudden, you have Camaro on the same platform, built in the same factory... with the same engine, too? At ~$16K less? How does that work? I mean, sure, the ATS is going to have some more bells and whistles and luxury materials... and maybe some higher-end parts... and the Cadillac brand... but I'm not sure if all that is worth $16K. So, what does GM do? De-tune the V6 in the Camaro? Not sure how it can do that with the Mustang offering a 300+ hp V6 as a base engine. Do a base 4-cylinder Camaro? Maybe, but you can't put in some kind of a chump four-banger when the 4 cyl Mustang is 300+ hp turbo. Suck it up, figure that ATS buyers won't notice or care, and the sell a V6 Alpha Camaro that's an incredible bargain and hope to make the money back on volume? Probably the most likely scenario. |
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03-12-2014, 07:35 PM | #74 | |
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03-12-2014, 07:56 PM | #75 | |
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Until you see a picture of a car with Camo from Brenda Priddy you aren't a year away. That first spy photo will start the clock. Roof strength and side impact requirements are very tough to meet with no structural connection between the a-pillar and b-pillar. There is a side pole impact test required when you don't have side impact air bags which you will need that structure to meet. And if the car has side impact airbags then they generally deploy from the that strucure.
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For some reason the convertible is allowed a pass. The way it was explained to me the only way they would be able to do T-tops is if they could integrate side airbags into the removable part of the top. Practically impossible. It would cost a fortune in engineering to figure it out even if it's possible and then the extra cost for the parts would probably make the option cost more than a convertible. It's a lot easier to just throw in a sunroof and call it a day.
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In fact I really don't think there is a requirement for side air bags yet. Not all cars have them.
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That's just the little bit about the issue that I know. There's a Ttop thread on here somewhere that explains it all. I have no clue about the Corvette.
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I'm sure its very carefully calculated by Chevy. Let a little teaser out to keep our appetites wetted, but don't give anything concrete away.
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Not sure I understand why. If you can make it work when you remove the whole roof, why can't it work with only a portion removed?
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Targa on the Corvette is considered a convertible by the Federal standards. Convertibles are exempt. So yes, they can make convertibles. If you would like to read the standards let me know and I'll post links. I've done in the past when this comes up.
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Don't get me wrong, almost anything is possible with enough money and enough structure (read that as mass). It's just very, very, very, very, hard. But the Government at least recognizes the importance of roof structure in meeting roof strength and side impact and also realizes people want convertibles so excludes them from the rules.
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