[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by USAFS197

I honestly don’t think the 6th Gen Camaro is the right market for this mentality at all. It’s not a muscle car, despite how many times it’s been inappropriately dubbed as one. To that end, if I was in the market for a car that was a straight line performer, which heaven forbid that ever happens, I wouldn’t consider a Camaro of any generation, let alone the 6th.

I don’t understand the need to keep up with the Jones’s when it comes to horsepower in a factory application, especially when the conversation of the current Dodge lineup of cars are brought up. I do not see the Challenger and Charger as direct competition for the Camaro, nor the Mustang. The Mustang is the last standing Pony car, where the Camaro used to reside. The Challenger and Charger are more appropriately muscle cars and embody that persona completely—big, heavy cars, straight line prowess, sub par turning. The Camaro is now a sports car and to that end, the last thing that catches my attention about its performance metrics, are it’s straight line numbers.

To the point at hand, if GM were to drop an LT5 into this generation of Camaro, there absolutely has to be a narrative that follows it. Just saying that it’s a new and improved ZL1 would trigger a ton of previous ZL1 owners and piss off even more ZR1 owners. As previously mentioned, historically the ZR1 engine has not found its way into the Camaro. Now sure, they could update the supercharger now that the C7 is dead and that might offer them some more room to close the gap. I think if they found a way to shave a few pounds off of the car and also added a 2300 blower, per se, then you could satisfy both camps of people who want more power (just because of bragging rights) and still maintain your track prowess.

I think GM did a lot of brand reshaping to move this car away from the old mullet-mobile image that they had previously and into a more respectable category. It would be a damn shame if they decided to add something like an LT5 to the car, or even a new supercharger, just to make some straight line only bs.

I look at it from the standpoint of if I had a ZR1. If I had a ZR1, would I be pissed that GM threw the LT5 engine in the ZL1? I would not. Because even with that engine the ZL1 would still not dethrone the king. So it is not a threat. However I also said that it does not have to be the "LT5" specifically. It could be a variation of the LT5, an upgraded LT4, or an entirely new engine using parts from here or there. Or if it was in fact the "LT5", then it could be a detuned "LT5" with 710 or 720 HP instead of the 755. that way everyone is happy.

At this point I would not consider it keeping up with the Joneses...it's more like going out with a bang. If the 6th Gen Camaro is the end of the road, then send us off with a haymaker. If they decide to go ahead with the 7th Gen then all the better!!

[drfeelgood]

Trying to guess the answer to this question is like trying to answer whether or not Kawhi Leonard is coming to the Lakers... it's all speculation... until it happens...

I for one hope that they both happen

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by vy427

If GM drops the LT5 in the ZL1, they’ll have quite a few pissed off ZR1 owners. Having that special engine (however closely related) is a large part of the ZR1’s allure and plays a significant role in justifying all that extra money. A bumped-up LT4 would help close the gap to the GT500, while not ruffling any feathers.

We did the same to the ZO6. They will live.

[Artos]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

We did the same to the ZO6. They will live.

I don't keep up on other forums...were vette owners honestly irked over the LT4 being shared with the caddy & ZL1??

Wouldn't bug me to share the LT5 as a ZR1 owner...it's not like all other specs are equal. Substantial price tag difference between a Z06 & ZL1 & guessing it would be similar if it came to pass.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by MikeEM1

Look at the past for answers. LS9 was only used in C6 ZR1. It will probably be the same for LT5 C7 ZR1. Just my thoughts.

Maybe if the C7 would still be around, but they don't make the C7 anymore.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...r-2-7-million/

[USAFS197]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

Maybe if the C7 would still be around, but they don't make the C7 anymore.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...r-2-7-million/

Perhaps not. But the LS9 from the C6 ZR1 never made it to the Camaro, either.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by USAFS197

Perhaps not. But the LS9 from the C6 ZR1 never made it to the Camaro, either.

I don't see your point of stating a old fact when this post was about a hypothetical idea of putting the LT5 in the ZL1 and would be competing against a ZR1 that is not even being made.

[USAFS197]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I don't see your point of stating a old fact when this post was about a hypothetical idea of putting the LT5 in the ZL1 and would be competing against a ZR1 that is not even being made.

I can’t help you if you don’t see the point in that statement. Nevertheless, if GM did make some sort of update to the Camaro lineup outside of a few cosmetic changes by the time this generation ended, I’d be very surprised and honestly, a little disappointed in them for giving in to that level of pettiness that they’d feel compelled to meet or beat the GT500 in a horsepower dick measuring contest.

Maybe I’m just out of touch. I find that often times I don’t align at all with other would-be enthusiasts. Who knows, maybe some straight line hero is exactly what this platform needs. I sure as hell wouldn’t be caught dead in one, however.

[drfeelgood]

Originally Posted by Artos

I don't keep up on other forums...were vette owners honestly irked over the LT4 being shared with the caddy & ZL1??

Wouldn't bug me to share the LT5 as a ZR1 owner...it's not like all other specs are equal. Substantial price tag difference between a Z06 & ZL1 & guessing it would be similar if it came to pass.

LSA in CTS-V and ZL1
LT4 in CTSV, ZL1, and Z06

definitely not out of the realm of possibility to get more use out of the LT5 and drop it in the Camaro

not sure GM was worried about pissing off Vette owners when they gave the 6th Gen ZL1 the same motor (Actually improved by 10 hp/20 trq) with a better transmission than the Z06

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by USAFS197

time this generation ended, I’d be very surprised and honestly, a little disappointed in them for giving in to that level of pettiness that they’d feel compelled to meet or beat the GT500 in a horsepower dick measuring

Ford and GM have been at each other for a long time. Where have you been?

[GrimReaperSS]

Originally Posted by drfeelgood

not sure GM was worried about pissing off Vette owners when they gave the 6th Gen ZL1 the same motor (Actually improved by 10 hp/20 trq) with a better transmission than the Z06

They weren't worried, they allowed the Gen6 Camaro team to run free and build the best Camaro possible w/o having to de-tune anything. I haven't heard that they've now put the cuffs back them....

[Artos]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

Ford and GM have been at each other for a long time. Where have you been?

I didn't comprehend that comment either...it's all about competition & topping the other flavor.

As if one side is going to concede the other side has a larger Weiner & market a lesser car as such..."hey buy this, it's slower??"

This has been going on since day one. Bring it!!

[USAFS197]

Yup. I guess that all but confirms I'm just not on the same page with most of you guys. Not an ounce of my being could give a single shit about how much horsepower a car comes with stock when considering its performance potential. I look at the chassis, engine architecture and drivetrain. Displacement, number of cylinders, manner of making power (turbo, supercharger, N/A) is all largely irrelevant to me. The car is nothing but a canvas in my eyes. I couldn't imagine being driven to purchase a car just because it has X horsepower or X torque more than its competitor. Otherwise, I would have jumped ship to another car a long time ago.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by USAFS197

Yup. I guess that all but confirms I'm just not on the same page with most of you guys. Not an ounce of my being could give a single shit about how much horsepower a car comes with stock when considering its performance potential. I look at the chassis, engine architecture and drivetrain. Displacement, number of cylinders, manner of making power (turbo, supercharger, N/A) is all largely irrelevant to me. The car is nothing but a canvas in my eyes. I couldn't imagine being driven to purchase a car just because it has X horsepower or X torque more than its competitor. Otherwise, I would have jumped ship to another car a long time ago.

Then why don't you just buy a bunch of car parts and make one yourself, Mr Science.