[HemiDave]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I'd suggest you look up the definition of the word "professional". In Bill's line of work, he's by definition a professional driver. Just because he's not getting paid to race for trophies does not make him not a professional.

I think you should look up the definition for "Professional Race Driver".

Follow that up with the definition of "Rabbit Hole"

Carry on...

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

I think you should look up the definition for "Professional Race Driver".

Follow that up with the definition of "Rabbit Hole"

Carry on...

He's a professional in his field which just so happens to be the handling and suspension of a vehicle. Again, you're naive as Hell if you think this man can't drive a vehicle at its limits. This makes twice you've ducked my question and I don't blame you because its a debate you can't win.

[GreenZLE]

LOL! This kinda thread reminds me of the political comments "XXXXXXX LIED, PEOPLE DIED!"

[HemiDave]

Is my service tech a "professional driver" because he gets paid to test drive cars?

Is my congressman an accountant because he puts together budgets?

Is the school nurse a surgeon because she puts a Band-Aid on a boo boo...or maybe she is a pediatrician?

Let's ask Bugs Bunny.....

[HemiDave]

Al O had some HUGE plans for the Camaro:

The Viper ACR went out with a bang by setting lap records at 13 different tracks around the country. Are there any of the Viper’s lap times you looked at and thought you could take down with the ZL1 1LE?

Al O:"I think there are. As always, any driver will get out of the car and say there’s more in it. We think there’s more in it. We’re gonna keep tinkering around with it. Wouldn’t it be cool to see a Camaro under 7:00 at the Nurburgring? I’d like to see it."
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No way GM was letting a Camaro ZLE set a sub 7 sec Ring time for the C8 Z06 to hurdle.

Can you imagine the crying (and cheering) we would be hearing if Al O got his wish?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-this-weekend/

https://www.hagerty.com/media/archiv...ser-interview/

[SnakeEyeSS]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

LOL! This kinda thread reminds me of the political comments "XXXXXXX LIED, PEOPLE DIED!"

GM LIED, CAMARO DIED!
Everyone feel better?

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

Al O had some HUGE plans for the Camaro:

The Viper ACR went out with a bang by setting lap records at 13 different tracks around the country. Are there any of the Viper’s lap times you looked at and thought you could take down with the ZL1 1LE?

Al O:"I think there are. As always, any driver will get out of the car and say there’s more in it. We think there’s more in it. We’re gonna keep tinkering around with it. Wouldn’t it be cool to see a Camaro under 7:00 at the Nurburgring? I’d like to see it."
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No way GM was letting a Camaro ZLE set a sub 7 sec Ring time for the C8 Z06 to hurdle.

Can you imagine the crying (and cheering) we would be hearing if Al O got his wish?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-this-weekend/

https://www.hagerty.com/media/archiv...ser-interview/

Coulda, shoulda, woulda..carry on.

A sub 7 second ZL1 1LE ring time? You're out of your damn mind if you think that's possible.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

Is my service tech a "professional driver" because he gets paid to test drive cars?

Is my congressman an accountant because he puts together budgets?

Is the school nurse a surgeon because she puts a Band-Aid on a boo boo...or maybe she is a pediatrician?

Let's ask Bugs Bunny.....

Does the service tech get paid to test drive cars at their limits? If so, then yes, he could fall into that category.

Your congressman isn't an accountant unless he is applying his profession and expertise directly to the budget process. However, if he's actually crunching numbers and doing ya know, accountant work, then yes you could argue he's a professional in that field.

Does the school nurse have training in surgery or perform any type of surgery in any way? If not, the answer is no.

Don't need Bugs Bunny to answer these questions although I do feel like a Looney Toon created the questions.

And last of all, you continue to dodge my question about whether an "amateur" could perform a task as well as a "professional".

[NG329]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Coulda, shoulda, woulda..carry on.

A sub 7 second ZL1 1LE ring time? You're out of your damn mind if you think that's possible.

Absolutely possible with a weight reduction, stripping down the car. Absolutely possible brother. The Viper is about 500lbs lighter than the ZL1-1LE but the Camaro is waaaay easier to drive. Just 200-300lbs would be all that is needed to get the job done.

[SnakeEyeSS]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Coulda, shoulda, woulda..carry on.

A sub 7 second ZL1 1LE ring time? You're out of your damn mind if you think that's possible.

Probably referring to the mythical 6th gen Z28

[HemiDave]

BREAKING NEWS:
I have been advised by the internet that GM Engineer Al O is “out of his damn mind”.

The update on GM engineer Bill Wise says he should have been piloting the Garage 56 Camaro at Lemans, and the people responsible for that oversight are “out of their damn minds.”

That is all for now…

[Gunkk]

Seconds...

Minutes...

Who has the time?

[george]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I'd suggest you look up the definition of the word "professional". In Bill's line of work, he's by definition a professional driver. Just because he's not getting paid to race for trophies does not make him not a professional. His entire career field, training and education relates to the handling and driving of vehicles. If you think that he's not spent a ridiculous amount of time behind the wheel of performance vehicles driving them at their limits, you're being very naive. For arguments sake though, if you want to still claim Bill is an amateur, my original question that you never answered still stands though, are you trying to say that its not possible for an amateur driver to drive as well as a professional?

The fact is Bill Wise does not live in Germany like many Euro car engineers/drivers who regularly are at the ring. The more familiar you are with the track, the better the time. Companies like ΒMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi live that track. GM does not. Bill wise had several runs but I would bet the euro companies have ring drivers that have more familiarity and thus more experience driving it. Give some Euro pro driver the ZL1 who drives that ring for those Euro companies for a couple of months and I bet whatever time is achieved will be close to the time GM ran, if not better. I’ll bet better.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by george

The fact is Bill Wise does not live in Germany like many Euro car engineers/drivers who regularly are at the ring. The more familiar you are with the track, the better the time. Companies like ΒMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi live that track. GM does not. Bill wise had several runs but I would bet the euro companies have ring drivers that have more familiarity and thus more experience driving it. Give some Euro pro driver the ZL1 who drives that ring for those Euro companies for a couple of months and I bet whatever time is achieved will be close to the time GM ran, if not better. I’ll bet better.

Every NASCAR driver would have a better time