06-13-2013, 05:36 PM | #71 |
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You got any links or can you prove it? My brother inlaw works for GM and since 2009 only 1 v6 and 2 L99s have been lemon lawed in his shop in Dallas. Most people buy these due to the looks and well these cars look real nice IMO.
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06-13-2013, 06:28 PM | #72 |
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How do you figure? I moved away from japanese cars due to build quality. They have a reputation for being reliable, but build quality they do not have. The sheet metal on them is pure crap.
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06-13-2013, 07:17 PM | #73 |
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OK. My take. Quality...today... surpasses all that I have ever seen in almost 4 decades of the Camaro<and GM for that matter> in fit, form, function, and overall operation of the car in total. The expectancy< and entitlement today> from some is that all should be perfect, no matter what. If our species is so flawed as a sum, why should we expect mass production of items not to be seen in the same light. I'm not complaining...perfection is something to be strived for, and likely not attainable.
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06-13-2013, 07:25 PM | #74 |
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My 2010 did suck but I chalked it up to first run blues. I broke my own rule of never buying a new model. So I blame myself more than GM. It's a fact of life that companies use the consumer for R&D anymore no matter what you buy.
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06-13-2013, 07:43 PM | #75 |
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I will say that for the record I have found:
My hood was installed improperly and has a big scrape on the passenger side inside lip of the hood, and the hinge also in missing paint. My wheels are unevenly painted and some have missing spots and runs though neither are bad. Specks of dirt under the paint/ missing paint/ uneven paint. The dirt/missing paint are on the drivers side on the C pillar. They are tiny and unnoticeable by most, but I know they are there. The uneven paint is on the trunklid. It's been polished out as much can be done and not that bad, but can be seen if you look for it. But for what it's worth, none of those things bother me too much and I don't want them fixed (well maybe the hood) but don't want a dealer to fix it. It's just not worth trying to fix those problems and possibly making them worse. The way I see it, she looks awesome, drives awesome, and makes me happy the way she is.
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06-13-2013, 07:59 PM | #76 | |
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not even matchbox - heck if they were all perfect then what would dealerships do they would not get any pre delivery inspection money |
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06-13-2013, 08:33 PM | #77 |
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06-13-2013, 08:45 PM | #78 |
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....it's systemic... performance issues, complaints without satisfaction after much interaction, lack of service, care or concern...quality control issues. Those not around long enough can not fathom how far things have degraded across the board in society. It's been magnified recently. Slip slot. All things being equal, GM is doing a great job IMHO to take things in a positive direction. There will always be quality control issues with the assembly line prodcuing a large quantitiy of items, or some flaw in tooling, painting, or running off numbers of a quantified number of parts from a machine...but at the end of the day as I see it from reading the balance sheets GM is really making progress to change the same old same old into a lead runner in the Global Manufacturing Economy.
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06-13-2013, 09:13 PM | #79 |
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When mine was lemon lawed I was told I was #13 in ny for transmission issues on 2011 v6 camaros. That's just in NY. And mine was a early one. I can't imagine how many others there where. After dealing with the horrible customer service 3 horrible dealers and all the wasted time waiting for tow trucks ill never trust another gm product ever again. I was given a trade in alero for a rental car. I complained and was given a 18 passenger van. GM refused a loaner as the repair was planned to take for than a week and they won't pay for a loaner car for that long.
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06-13-2013, 09:49 PM | #80 | |
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06-14-2013, 06:33 AM | #82 |
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the op is the same assclown that will never buy a chevy product.....just bash it. And threaten to buy one if the quality improves..
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06-14-2013, 08:41 AM | #84 |
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I'd love for anyone who nitpicks such things on their Camaro to do the same with their other vehicles. I'd surmise many new Camaro fans own/owned other manufacturers' vehicles before buying their Chevrolet. I'd be very surprised if they went over their Accord or Tacoma with such a fine-tooth comb. They likely did not do such a thing because they didn't spend any time on forums where people feel confident typing their emotional opinions about everything under the sun to other appliance-drivers. "racer348 found a spec of dirt in his paint on the underside of his hood on his Caravan -- I'd better check mine out and post about it!"
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