07-02-2013, 11:02 AM | #715 |
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Probs not this. Remember that the new chassis is going to be much lighter.
It won't be my style but I think a T4 would knock it out of the park, man. Like I said before, options options options = sales sales sales = never another hiatus. |
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Seems to me that acceptability of a smallish displacement engine in a ponycar is predicated upon it having at least 'good' throttle response under as wide a variety driving conditions as reasonably achievable. Trust me on this - I know what even 2.5L off-boost in the wrong gear in a 3400-ish lb car feels like, and it's no better than "barely adequate for a daily driver or winter beater". That much of it would be a good topic starter for wondering about how a future ZL1 would be configured, but is irrelevant here. Quote:
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In fact I believe if anything, the T4 will be an added cost option over the V6. I feel that is more likely. I do feel though that the T4 could be slightly more efficently. I feel that way b/c my wife currently drives a turbo 4 small/midsize SUV and she can get fantastic mileage with it. But I agree that difference would be minimal. Look...I don't want to buy a turbo 4. I'm just not AGAINST GM offering it. If the ditch the V6, then I will be dissapointed, but if the T4 is made powerful enough to be faster than the current V6, then I'll at least understand why they would ditch the V6 option. Quote:
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07-02-2013, 04:51 PM | #718 | |
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And I'm all for options if they are things customers are asking for. I'm pretty sure Chevy customers didn't ask for a more expensive, less powerful base engine. It feels like they are trying to "teach" the car buying public what kind of car to buy, and that usually doesn't end up with more sales for the car manufacturers. |
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07-02-2013, 05:18 PM | #719 |
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The T-4 can almost certainly be tuned to produce better fuel economy in the EPA drive cycles. But like they say, "your mileage may vary" . . . and it does.
Customer preferences and wants count for less than meeting mandated requirements, which puts Chevy and all the rest in the position of being middlemen between the customer and the regulators. I don't envy the advertising guys who have to spin what somebody else thinks we're all supposed to want into being a top-priority attraction for each and every one of us in our purchase decisions. Norm |
07-04-2013, 12:12 AM | #720 |
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Yeah I mean think about it, drive something bad ass as a Camaro and get the gas mileage of a prius, but don't drive around a bitch car. Again not what I would choose but hell if you need good gas mileage why not?
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When the next iteration of the GM HF V6 hits, it will most likely be packing 330-340 hp. The most a stock factory GM turbo 4 is pushing right now is 290-300.
I do see the T-4 outperforming the V6 in the quarter if they get Alpha light enough due to the better torque curve. But they will not be able to match the real world FE of the V6, nor the numbers on paper which is what sells cars. |
07-07-2013, 07:09 PM | #722 |
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That's what I'm really hoping to see. A 330 - 340HP V6 with more torque than the current LFX (278TQ)....maybe around 290 TQ?
Then mod that sucker to 360+ HP and 310 or so TQ and call it a day lol. That in a 3,400lb machine and I'd be very satisfied. No need for me to be in an SS other than the sound
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07-28-2013, 06:36 PM | #723 |
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nothing wrong with a little 4 cylinder power, but I personally can't imagine it with the camaro
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07-28-2013, 07:11 PM | #724 | |
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You befriend Clark Kent, Superman and you two become good friends. The things he can do blow you away. The two of you go golfing and afterward hit the showers. All of a sudden you realize he suffers from the condition micro penis. Same thing, you pop the hood to find a 4cyl.? You will never look at the car the same again. GM has to really think about this before it go's stupid. There is no fix to stupid |
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07-29-2013, 09:28 AM | #726 |
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Still arguing are we!? By the way, a "micro penis" will get you just as pregnant as a floor dragger will! It isn`t the size of the motor that counts or the number of cylinders, it`s how it performs is all that matters.
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07-29-2013, 12:18 PM | #727 |
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You'll have a 4 cyl soon.....direct injected, variable valve timing and turbo. It's the future.....deal with it......from AP, heres why:
By 2025, new cars and trucks sold in the U.S. will have to average 54.5 miles per gallon of gasoline, up from the current 30.8 mpg. |
07-29-2013, 03:57 PM | #728 |
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Pecker Checker
anyway, I would have no problem lifting the hood on a 6th Gen Camaro with a 4 banger turbo if it pushes in the ball park of 320hp in a 3,200lb Camaro, with adequate torque to match.... |
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