[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

I've always assumed the best bet would be to start with an SS, 5.0, or SRT392 and build from there. It sounds like you'd agree. Between these three, which one would be the least expensive to get to a reliable 1000hp?

Safest, easiest, and least expensive way if you just wanted 1000 HP would be the 5.0 as much as it pains me to say. That is if you're only talking about these 3 choices. The LT1 would be 2nd but would require much more. The SRT392 will never make it without complete overhaul. Most Mopar guys will tell you that non-Hellcat engines are not good with boost. Especially the 5.7s. They oil rings on the pistons cannot handle even light boost on a mild tune. At least that's how it was a few years ago when I was looking to supercharge my 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland with the 5.7. Which is why you don't see them engines with blowers as frequently as their GM and Ford rivals. Things might have changed recently but I doubt it.

Overall tho the Hellcat out of all engines would be the easiest, safest, cheapest, and most relible to make 1000 RWHP. Perhaps the new GT500 is up there with it. But the HC would get the nod from me as its been done many times over the past few years.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

I've always assumed the best bet would be to start with an SS, 5.0, or SRT392 and build from there. It sounds like you'd agree. Between these three, which one would be the least expensive to get to a reliable 1000hp?

As a former 2x Challenger owner, nothing in the drivetrain and suspension is reliable at 1000 engine hp. Plus 12% more hp just to make up the weight, then there is a street tire issue at 100 tread wear, nothing is going to launch 4450 curb weight car.

Got no idea on the Mustang, the rear diff especially with 3.73 is suspect, all shafts are useless, the manual is weak. If the engine need valvetrain parts that would be heck of expensive 32 valves. AFAIK even the stock voodoo had reliability issues with chains and oil pump. So can one drop in forged pistons and rods and crank the boost to 1000 hp on 93? Maybe, don’t know how dependable.

A10 camaro, shafts for sure, I would spec a forged crank with radius fillets, thick I beam rods, forged pistons, cam and kit, va lives, posted head, theoretically the D1X will do 1050 hp. So say 10k for engine, 7k for blower, 7k for fuel and tune, 2.5 k for shafts. Add in rubber to suit. I built a street engine, I only assume that 93 octane on 15. Psi built engine can support a 10.5cr. Clearly there is a street load octane limit. Overall the camaro is cheap till you get to the di fuel system. The mustang dual inject is cheaper at this point. One could say sell the lt1 engine for4k and buy a crate lt5 for 18k, problem solved, as this is a dual inject engine. I paid low 30k for my SS out the door.....

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Safest, easiest, and least expensive way if you just wanted 1000 HP would be the 5.0 as much as it pains me to say. That is if you're only talking about these 3 choices. The LT1 would be 2nd but would require much more. The SRT392 will never make it without complete overhaul. Most Mopar guys will tell you that non-Hellcat engines are not good with boost. Especially the 5.7s. They oil rings on the pistons cannot handle even light boost on a mild tune. At least that's how it was a few years ago when I was looking to supercharge my 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland with the 5.7. Which is why you don't see them engines with blowers as frequently as their GM and Ford rivals. Things might have changed recently but I doubt it.

Overall tho the Hellcat out of all engines would be the easiest, safest, cheapest, and most relible to make 1000 RWHP. Perhaps the new GT500 is up there with it. But the HC would get the nod from me as its been done many times over the past few years.

Seems like I'm seeing more more modded 5.0s probably because of this.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by oldman

As a former 2x Challenger owner, nothing in the drivetrain and suspension is reliable at 1000 engine hp. Plus 12% more hp just to make up the weight, then there is a street tire issue at 100 tread wear, nothing is going to launch 4450 curb weight car.

Got no idea on the Mustang, the rear diff especially with 3.73 is suspect, all shafts are useless, the manual is weak. If the engine need valvetrain parts that would be heck of expensive 32 valves. AFAIK even the stock voodoo had reliability issues with chains and oil pump. So can one drop in forged pistons and rods and crank the boost to 1000 hp on 93? Maybe, don’t know how dependable.

A10 camaro, shafts for sure, I would spec a forged crank with radius fillets, thick I beam rods, forged pistons, cam and kit, va lives, posted head, theoretically the D1X will do 1050 hp. So say 10k for engine, 7k for blower, 7k for fuel and tune, 2.5 k for shafts. Add in rubber to suit. I built a street engine, I only assume that 93 octane on 15. Psi built engine can support a 10.5cr. Clearly there is a street load octane limit. Overall the camaro is cheap till you get to the di fuel system. The mustang dual inject is cheaper at this point. One could say sell the lt1 engine for4k and buy a crate lt5 for 18k, problem solved, as this is a dual inject engine. I paid low 30k for my SS out the door.....

Always impressed with your knowledge Oldman!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Always impressed with your knowledge Oldman!

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Interesting. Is there a less expensive way to get to Iconic's speed and reliability when it comes to roll racing?

I would have to say a 5.0 GT a10 or ss a8/a10. It's probably cheapest with the 5.0 since the internals are better and everything in the mustang world is more widespread and affordable.

Having said that, when Power Nation had the Horsepower Wars series going last year, the camaro team built the better 1000hp car with a 10k budget using prochargers. Mustang needed oil gears, ss needed rods and pistons, as did the challeneger. Still I think a turbo 5.0 would be the faster and cheaper route there.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by oldman

Ouch, dude, you had to go there

Lol it's not not a dig, and our camaros are in the same boat, but its true and Ford guys forget that when they bring up price. The crappiest vette is still a nice 50k v8 sports car.

Not to mention a 92k cftp gt500 is pretty damn expensive and most who can afford that can afford 120k zr1. Now the base gt500 is a hell of a street performance deal. No doubt about it.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Now the base gt500 is a hell of a street performance deal. No doubt about it.

Yea, for people who don't drive over 180 mph.

[IconicGT500]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Interesting. Is there a less expensive way to get to Iconic's speed and reliability when it comes to roll racing?

nope. lol

you will never get the all around package the gt500 offers for less $. porsche level roadcourse and mid 9 sec 1/4 mile and 4 sec 60-130? for $80k? goodluck.

funny.. blaqhole.. where are all these cars you had lined up for me? certainly not GM cars anymore funny how you were caught in one of the bigest lies ever told on the internet. jalopnik would have a field day with this, maybe we should send it over

i said stock cmaro/corvett for a stock gt500. modded for me.. there are -0- stock motor GM cars that can compete - this is fact. cam isnt stock mtor, as it goes inside yes? weird how the mighty have fallen..

ill wait for a legitimate competitor. stock or modifed.. you let me know

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by IconicGT500

nope. lol

you will never get the all around package the gt500 offers for less $. porsche level roadcourse and mid 9 sec 1/4 mile and 4 sec 60-130? for $80k? goodluck.

funny.. blaqhole.. where are all these cars you had lined up for me? certainly not GM cars anymore funny how you were caught in one of the bigest lies ever told on the internet. jalopnik would have a field day with this, maybe we should send it over

i said stock cmaro/corvett for a stock gt500. modded for me.. there are -0- stock motor GM cars that can compete - this is fact. cam isnt stock mtor, as it goes inside yes? weird how the mighty have fallen..

ill wait for a legitimate competitor. stock or modifed.. you let me know

Dude you're such a joke that I doubt the guy in the Demon will race you even if you came to NY. I can't take you seriously.

Anyways, I'm buying a Hyabusa right now. Hold for pics.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yea, for people who don't drive over 180 mph.

More so ...a car, whose manufacturer isn’t comfortable with people driving it over 180 mph.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by IconicGT500

nope. lol

you will never get the all around package the gt500 offers for less $. porsche level roadcourse and mid 9 sec 1/4 mile and 4 sec 60-130? for $80k? goodluck.

I agree with that. I'm asking about just roll racing. What would you go with if you weren't looking for a well rounded car, but wanted to roll race with 1000hp?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by IconicGT500

nope. lol

you will never get the all around package the gt500 offers for less $. porsche level roadcourse and mid 9 sec 1/4 mile and 4 sec 60-130? for $80k? goodluck.

What about the second lap? ...and you’re talking about the base car.?.?.?

Originally Posted by IconicGT500

funny.. blaqhole.. where are all these cars you had lined up for me? certainly not GM cars anymore funny how you were caught in one of the bigest lies ever told on the internet. jalopnik would have a field day with this, maybe we should send it over

i said stock cmaro/corvett for a stock gt500. modded for me.. there are -0- stock motor GM cars that can compete - this is fact. cam isnt stock mtor, as it goes inside yes? weird how the mighty have fallen..

ill wait for a legitimate competitor. stock or modifed.. you let me know

Not even close. Blaq is just trolling the trolls.

We had a Mustang fan here a few years ago that created multiple user names so he could debate us and himself ...as an impartial owner of the finest from the domestic brands ...who through his vast exposure ...could say why Camaro was soo bad.

Just a few of his handles were titianfan, ztwentypoop, tooslow. He was so stupid he couldn’t keep his lies straight.

He use to tow lawn equipment with his new gen5 Z/28.

[Wild One]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Ford cuts corners with everything. Which is why I will never fully trust any highly modded Mustang.

Originally Posted by IconicGT500 View Post
nope. lol

you will never get the all around package the gt500 offers for less $. porsche level roadcourse and mid 9 sec 1/4 mile and 4 sec 60-130? for $80k? goodluck.

funny.. blaqhole.. where are all these cars you had lined up for me? certainly not GM cars anymore funny how you were caught in one of the bigest lies ever told on the internet. jalopnik would have a field day with this, maybe we should send it over

i said stock cmaro/corvett for a stock gt500. modded for me.. there are -0- stock motor GM cars that can compete - this is fact. cam isnt stock mtor, as it goes inside yes? weird how the mighty have fallen..

ill wait for a legitimate competitor. stock or modifed.. you let me know

And how long has this platform been out?

Reliability has not been established.

Slow and steady wins the race.