[Mister Will]

Interesting article I came across:

20 drawbacks of electric vehicles drivers commonly overlook.

[Mark R]

This just got uploaded today:
https://youtu.be/sytWLB4-W-M

[BlaqWhole]

Personally I think the only versions of these cars that will have any real value will be barely driven very low mileage bone stock on stock tires with full options that have been sitting in a climate controlled garage or storage unit. And with a clean Carfax and no incidents or accidents and only 1 previous owner. And probably not all the years. Probably just the 17s, the 18 ZLEs, the 20 ZLEs with A10, and that's about it.

[rlarsen462]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Personally I think the only versions of these cars that will have any real value will be barely driven very low mileage bone stock on stock tires with full options that have been sitting in a climate controlled garage or storage unit. And with a clean Carfax and no incidents or accidents and only 1 previous owner. And probably not all the years. Probably just the 17s, the 18 ZLEs, the 20 ZLEs with A10, and that's about it.

Out of curiosity why the 20 ZLE with A10? I figured you said the 17/18 because of the different tail lights?

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Personally I think the only versions of these cars that will have any real value will be barely driven very low mileage bone stock on stock tires with full options that have been sitting in a climate controlled garage or storage unit. And with a clean Carfax and no incidents or accidents and only 1 previous owner. And probably not all the years. Probably just the 17s, the 18 ZLEs, the 20 ZLEs with A10, and that's about it.

Having read these somewhat arbitrary, but plausible criteria, I'm afraid my car barely qualifies for one, so I'll just keep driving and enjoying her

[Vtor_ZL1]

If you bought you car to be an investment.. that's one HELLUVA gamble. Might want to give those ruskian stock a shot if their stock market ever reopens.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by rlarsen462

Out of curiosity why the 20 ZLE with A10? I figured you said the 17/18 because of the different tail lights?

I meant 2019 ZLE with A10 trans. I figure it like this:

2017 - First year for the 6th Gen ZL1.
2018 - First year for the 6th Gen ZLE.
2019 - First year for the 6th Gen ZLE with A10 trans.

Although it might seem little, a person who is well versed and knowledgeable and looking to spend a lot of money on one of these in the future will probably want one that has all the "firsts" and in perfect condition with low miles and bone stock and 1 owner.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Having read these somewhat arbitrary, but plausible criteria, I'm afraid my car barely qualifies for one, so I'll just keep driving and enjoying her

If you were going to buy a 3rd Gen Camaro as a collectible, which ones would hold more value?

Possibly the more rare versions:
- CFI Z28
- 4cyl manual trans Camaro

And then possibly the firsts:
- 84 IROC (first year of the IROC...I think).
- 85 IROC with 5.0 TPI (first year with TPI).
- 87 IROC with 5.7 TPI (first year with 5.7 and TPI).

At least those are what I would look for as something to collect.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Mister Will

Interesting article I came across:

20 drawbacks of electric vehicles drivers commonly overlook.

As a Tesla owner, most of this is outdated, opinion, wrong, or a non-issue for most people. About the only drawbacks I've seen to an EV has been the long charging times (8 hours) if you drive more than 250 miles per trip and don't live near a Tesla supercharger station. Otherwise, the majority of EV owners charge their vehicles at night while sleeping so it's a non-issue. Traveling is the only other issue, its true, you have to plan your trips a little more carefully. Personally, I would not choose an EV for long distance trips or traveling but it doesn't mean that it can be done and many EV owners do. I agree that an EV should not be your only vehicle unless you travel very little.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If you were going to buy a 3rd Gen Camaro as a collectible, which ones would hold more value?

Possibly the more rare versions:
- CFI Z28
- 4cyl manual trans Camaro

And then possibly the firsts:
- 84 IROC (first year of the IROC...I think).
- 85 IROC with 5.0 TPI (first year with TPI).
- 87 IROC with 5.7 TPI (first year with 5.7 and TPI).

At least those are what I would look for as something to collect.

1985 IROC-Z is the first year IROC-Z. I don't think any of them are going to be collectible because they made too many of them. Honestly, the 1991-1992 Z28 with 5.7 TPI are much more rare than the IROC's and look better too. As difficult as it is to find any of them with low mileage and in good shape today, they haven't really gone up in value a lot. I owned a 1987 IROC 5.0 TPI, and a 1991 Z28 5.7 TPI. I wish I had never sold the 1991 Z28, but I didn't have the financial means to keep it at the time and buy another car. I ended up with a 1994 Z28 soon after, then a 1999 Camaro SS, before I stopped driving Camaro's until my 2021 ZL1. My very first car was a 1982 Z28 with 4BL carb, 145hp, 3 speed auto, and my second car was a 1983 Z28 with crossfire injection (only year for CFI) 165hp. Its not worth owning any of those.

[Mark R]

If I were to bet on a ZL-1 going up in value, I would buy a manual 1LE, and order it with PDR, no sunroof. It would appeal to a rich màn as a track toy. Look how manual Porsches have gained in value.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Mark R

If I were to bet on a ZL-1 going up in value, I would buy a manual 1LE, and order it with PDR, no sunroof. It would appeal to a rich màn as a track toy. Look how manual Porsches have gained in value.

I would tend to agree, manual 1LE would probably appreciate the most in years to come since manuals are going away and the 1LE is the most high performance version available for track use.

[JBones81]

idk if you guys have been reading up on the new Lucid EVs that are supposedly coming out soon, but they're amazing cars, making 900-1111 hp and doing everything else well, with a 500mile range. The only drawback I see so far is they're still very expensive and out of reach for most buyers.

I think what will happen with electric cars is that someday they'll be to us what our current gen cars are to 80s/90s "fast" cars. I had several 5.0s back in the day and thought they were pretty quick. Now it would take a fully built and blown one to even keep up with a stock RS3, M3, zl1, etc. When I see those 80s/90s cars on the road, I enjoy it because of the nostalgia, but I don't at all perceive them as a "fast" car anymore. I think when most EVs are running 9s and 10s with ease, right off the showroom floor, our "fast" cars will be looked at the same way. So, we'll eventually find ourselves in the same boat as the current classic car owners, where we enjoy our cars for what they are and we are ok with knowing that we're not the fast guys on the roads anymore. Change is difficult but it certainly seems like the tech is moving in that direction, barring any crazy setbacks like WW3 or something LOL

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by JBones81

idk if you guys have been reading up on the new Lucid EVs that are supposedly coming out soon, but they're amazing cars, making 900-1111 hp and doing everything else well, with a 500mile range. The only drawback I see so far is they're still very expensive and out of reach for most buyers.

I think what will happen with electric cars is that someday they'll be to us what our current gen cars are to 80s/90s "fast" cars. I had several 5.0s back in the day and thought they were pretty quick. Now it would take a fully built and blown one to even keep up with a stock RS3, M3, zl1, etc. When I see those 80s/90s cars on the road, I enjoy it because of the nostalgia, but I don't at all perceive them as a "fast" car anymore. I think when most EVs are running 9s and 10s with ease, right off the showroom floor, our "fast" cars will be looked at the same way. So, we'll eventually find ourselves in the same boat as the current classic car owners, where we enjoy our cars for what they are and we are ok with knowing that we're not the fast guys on the roads anymore. Change is difficult but it certainly seems like the tech is moving in that direction, barring any crazy setbacks like WW3 or something LOL

I'm not sure if you saw the video yet but a stock Tesla recently straight up mopped the floor with a stock 2020 GT500 both from a dig and a roll. It then beat a highly modded 1000 RWHP GT500 from a dig and a roll. Another Tesla beat a Hayabusa. And they have been destroying the Hellcats. So those days are already here for the most part. I don't think any Tesla owners would shy away from a race. And I wouldn't shy away either...but I hope I don't come across them, lol!!

The only thing I'd say is different about your post is that in the future you mention most likely there won't be any of our ICE vehicles on the roads as gas will probably cost way too much...like $15 a gallon for 87 octane or something ridiculous like that. But I do agree that the performance difference will be similar to the difference between our current cars and the 80s-90s versions.

To think, I remember the first time I drove my 87 IROC-Z with 5.7 TPI and I could not believe how fast it was. Then I drove my 95 Z28 the first time and I couldn't believe how fast that was. Then came modded and supercharged Mustangs up until I got my 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS and that totally blew me away. Up until my 17 ZL1 which again just amazed me. To Hellcats and now having modded cars. And to think that these EVs are soo fast that they are gonna eat up cars like mine easily from stoplight to stoplight. And the faster ones will wreck my cars from a dig, from a roll, etc. The idea that this next level of performance is that far above what we have now is just insane.