04-25-2018, 01:21 PM | #57 |
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Your first move should be going back to a stock tire size setup or a 295 or 305 square. 275's on this 3600+lb car are not doing you any favors. Since you say you've searched all the available bolt on aero parts for the 1LE, why not get some custom canards or a chassis mount splitter made? Be the guinea pig for all of us
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04-25-2018, 01:39 PM | #58 | ||
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And funny you should mention that. This morning I have finalized plans to work with Verus Engineering, out of Indianapolis, on a custom, chassis mounted splitter. I'll be driving my car there, and they'll be doing full scans of the car, and we'll be working on a splitter firstly, and if the interest is there, we'll be working on canards and a diffuser. Verus is pretty well known in the FRS/BRZ community, and they have been growing in popularity with the Fiesta/ST/RS/GT350 community as well, so I expect some exciting things from them. |
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04-25-2018, 01:56 PM | #59 | |
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Honestly a setup like that and the DSC MRC controller would probably solve most of the issues you feel like the car has on track.
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04-25-2018, 02:20 PM | #60 |
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sometimes the most simplistic answer is the right one. Taking cue from pickup trucks in the winter... maybe you just need to fill your trunk with sand. If you wanted to corner balance you could strategically place sandbags at all four corners.
Constant grip improvement at any speed, regardless of weather conditions, straights or bends. Can be dynamically controlled by adding or removing sand based on the track, situation, etc. Totally tongue in cheek, but man this is a seriously hostile thread... just trying to lighten the mood. Make up the loss in acceleration by adding a supercharger. |
04-25-2018, 02:27 PM | #61 |
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It really sucks that a legit question that could possibly improve performance cannot be asked on this forum without the #stockordie guys attacking the OP.
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04-25-2018, 02:29 PM | #62 | ||
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I'm also unfamiliar with the DSC MRC controller, that is not something that I've seen. Everyone I know either runs the stock MRC suspension, or has JRZs. Again, I'll go do some research. Thanks for the tips! Edit: Just did a quick search on the DSC stuff, and I'm liking what I see. Seems as though they have several stages of performance modifications for 6th gen suspensions. Thanks for sharing. Quote:
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04-25-2018, 02:46 PM | #63 | |
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Hopefully I can be a pioneer. As mentioned above, I'm going to be working with a company over the summer/fall on some aero that will have technical data and CFD graphs to support it. Maybe those who have similar questions will have better answers by the 2019 season. |
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04-25-2018, 03:29 PM | #64 | |
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I'm running DSC on my car and like it a lot. The OEM shock tune sucks for autocross, but works well on track. I like the DSC on track too, as the car is incredibly more forgiving. I'm working on custom front springs for the front of the car at about the DSSV rates, but retaining the MRC and DSC. The first iteration was too short, so the spring company is sending another version for me. I'll post when that's done. You can fit big rubber on the car - for autocross this year I'll be running the 5th gen Z28 wheels - 19x11 front, 19x11.5 rear with 305 all around. You have to grind the strut at the knuckle to make it fit, but it fits. I've added camber plates to get to -3 degrees without having to get all the camber at the knuckle. If you want to rotate, you can run 19x11s with a spacer on one end to make it all fit and rotate. I may do that (but with 18x12s for autocross) later on. I love the car, stock. I tracked it and autocrossed it stock. It's a great car. I'm just not the type to leave well enough alone, and while I'm not a national champion, I run in competitive events, and if I'm not optimizing for the ruleset, I'm falling behind. So it's getting springs, and a Whipple, and I'd LOVE some real aero. I'll be following your progress. Unless you don't want to deal with the #OEMisBEST! chuckleheads, in which case shoot me a PM before you go. |
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04-25-2018, 03:34 PM | #65 |
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I'm not here to debate half the sh*t being argued...
just wanted to put up a few points. both sides have valid, supported reasons I'm seeing. -The reason most are touting the stock stuff, is simply because its currently some of the only products THAT HAVE been wind tunnel designed and tested. So legit, its really the only proven stuff, outside of common sense additions (wings, gurney flaps/wicker bills, and a few legit splitters like APR and others of that design realm). the same goes for an actual diffuser. only 1-2 companies, one being ZL1 add-ons that I've seen being made. - as most already know usage and timeVSmoney of getting a wind tunnel to test, is out of the financial realm of most aftermarket companies. so its kinda a "if you know what you need" we make it ordeal with many companies. a lot of stuff in the fiberglass and CF offerings, offer mainly and only appearance mods. -Theres only a few companies that make an actual splitter. a flat board like piece that goes under the bumper and extends 2-3 inches from the stock offerings. the GM piece is an "air dam" at best. although functional and proven, its not the same as a splitter. Air dams/lip spoilers do the same as a splitter, just to a FAR LESSER degree. anyone needing more info on that: http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/splitter.html but like "cold air intakes" where originally the difference were actually a long ram (cool) vs a short ram (warm) intake, now all intakes are called "cold air" since marketing matters and COLD is better than COOL air (you can sell more, if it sounds better).... likewise, anything that hangs off the bumper has now been dubbed a "splitter", even if its just a lip spoiler/air dam, etc... same also goes for diffusers... a legit diffuser channels air out from under the car and usually has some sort of fins to section air. most refer to the rear bumper extensions that house the tips as a diffuser as most have been simply designed to look like its performance minded. -lastly to the OP. as said, I haven't seen any wind tunnel testing on it, or any other brands, but I ran across this in the road/track forum a while back. http://stevechristycomposites.com/ its peaked my interest. but will be way down the road after I sort out upgrading from FE2 suspension. also another I came across https://www.aerosportconcepts.com/st...en_Camaro.html
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04-25-2018, 03:52 PM | #66 |
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I just want better brake cooling
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04-25-2018, 04:27 PM | #67 | ||
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As for the tires, I'd REALLLLLLY like to stay under a 295, but I'm glad that an 11 can fit. I assume you're using a +10ish offset? Would you happen to have a build thread and/or pictures of the fitment? And you're exactly where I'm at. I can appreciate the car in its stock form, but I simply can't leave well enough alone. I'm always chasing a faster lap time, and I tend to prefer for my cars to be waiting for my drivermod to catch up, versus the other way around. Quote:
I came across the Steve Christy splitter in my search on this forum, but I didn't see much beyond some photos. I will have a look around and see if I can find some more data. (EDIT: Unless I'm blind, it doesn't even appear to be on his website anymore...) Thank you for sharing those links. |
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04-26-2018, 01:25 PM | #68 | |
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04-26-2018, 08:54 PM | #69 |
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Not saying this is the best solution, but look at what they did for aero on the GT4 Camaro. All the aerodynamics have been developed and tested on a full-scale rolling road and wind tunnel and proven on the track. Of course this was based on the ZL1 body.
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04-26-2018, 10:43 PM | #70 |
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I'm waiting for the warranty to expire before any serious mods. In the mean time I'm going to work on pushing my newbe skills and going to be watching what mods others are doing to their cars.
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