[Roto-fab 1]

Originally Posted by jimmypop13

Is this only if ordering through you or through other places like JDP as well?!?

If you ordered your intake from JDP, it most likely shipped yesterday. Due to the large amount of orders yesterday, tracking wasn't forwarded to dealers until last night after most businesses were closed. You should be able to contact them for tracking information now.

[Roto-fab 1]

This will show the torque numbers which someone asked about. As previously stated, we have made some positive changes to the system which should increase the numbers some. Take a look at how the gains carried out across most of the RPM range-not just a good peak number. Also, you may notice the air box and filter used in this test are smaller than the current pictures of what we ended up with for the production version.
Our intakes are always tested by some of the most reputable shops out there, so we're anxious to see some results posted!






We made it back on the dyno with our latest version. This configuration yielded solid gains across the RPM range. Peak gains were 12 HP and 13 ft/lb tq over stock. The big difference here is gains carried from start to finish. Our previous version showed great top end gains but we weren’t satisfied with low and mid-range performance. On the dyno, AFR readings were about .3 rich as compared to most of our data logs, so we are confident the gains stated above are on the conservative side.

It’s important to note that we tested this intake after 500+ miles of driving under various load conditions. As discussed earlier in this thread, these cars are slow to adapt to changes in the MAF configuration. We have tested a competitor’s intake which experiences this exact issue. To date, there is definitely a general lack of independent testing results with the 2016 Camaro CAI systems. Realizing we don’t fall in the “independent testing” category, we will wait and see what others post…it will come out! In the meantime, we may post some comparisons against the competition which can be easily verified or disputed by others...IATs, filter size, etc.

Dyno numbers provide useful information when forming an opinion on a CAI system. However, they only tell part of the story. A CAI should provide IATs (air intake temperatures) as close to ambient as possible. To achieve this, the intake MUST prevent radiator and engine bay heat from entering the filter. Our system does this. If you or one of your friends have a system currently on the market, we strongly encourage you to remove the lid and see for yourself how effectively they have sealed out hot radiator and engine bay air. This is a huge factor if you are staging at the drag strip or simply sitting at a traffic light beside a Dodge Challenger! With an inadequate air box design, intake temps absolutely skyrocket when not moving. The IAT’s will come down during higher speeds, but not quick enough. You will already be much of the way through that ¼ mile or looking at the tail lights of that Challenger. Maybe not the latter, but this is a very important aspect of an air intake system since much of your performance driving may directly follow an idle period. We will be posting a detailed comparison of this with the Roto-fab CAI and a couple of our competitor’s systems. It’s a real eye opener! We will wait a couple weeks to post this pending some changes to our air box design. The changes don’t affect the sealing of our air box; however, we wouldn’t consider it as credible to post such a comparison using a pre-production air box. This takes us to the next topic….

We have decided to increase the air box size which not only increases air box volume, but allows us to use a filter which is 2” longer than the one we tested with. It was a very tough decision to re-tool a product which is complete and performing well, but we feel it’s best for the long term. We may gain a little more on stock cars, but certainly will increase performance tremendously on modified cars. As many of you know, a large portion of our business comes from tuners and speed shops who do their own testing and aren’t caught up in marketing hype. We’ve already received feedback on the currently available 2016 CAI systems from multiple tuners and we think this change will separate us from them by even more.

We already have over 7 months of R&D invested in this project. Therefore, we’ve decided a couple more weeks added to our target release date to make this change is time well spent. We don’t normally like to post target release dates, but our goal is to have this wrapped up and in production this month. The production version will be the system with the configuration as tested above along with the air box and filter size increases.

Thank you Jordan and the team at JDP Motorsports for your time and efforts!

[Roto-fab 1]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Kinda why I asked I guess. The first person that knows what they're doing can data log and or put the car on a dyno and then the secret's out. I didn't think this was anything earth shattering.

Look forward to someone publishing some data. I do agree this CAI does look like it has potential, but I'm a skeptic.

AFR readings on our most recent data logs show 12.3 to 12.4 @ WOT. We do monitor pre-catalyst.
Before this system, our last Camaro intake released was four years ago for the Camaro ZL1. Although I'm sure it has been thoroughly examined by many competitors, nobody has matched the performance of that system. We do like to share information with you as much as possible, but there are things better kept to ourselves. If we had shared every design aspect and development approach of our ZL1 system, there's a good chance it wouldn't stand alone today as the top performing intake for the ZL1.

[TSloper]

What are the lambda values? AFR isn't as useful because we don't know what stoich is used in generating the AFR value.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Roto-fab 1

AFR readings on our most recent data logs show 12.3 to 12.4 @ WOT. We do monitor pre-catalyst.
Before this system, our last Camaro intake released was four years ago for the Camaro ZL1. Although I'm sure it has been thoroughly examined by many competitor's, nobody has matched the performance of that system. We do like to share information with you as much as possible, but there are things better kept to ourselves. If we had shared every design aspect and development approach of our ZL1 system, there's a good chance it wouldn't stand alone today as the top performing intake for the ZL1.

Thanks. Also, thanks for the reminder these are MAF, I had forgotten that after dealing with speed density so long on my Challenger. MAF will adjust to air flow changes all on it's own, so I understand your previous comment better now.

Originally Posted by TSloper

What are the lambda values? AFR isn't as useful because we don't know what stoich is used in generating the AFR value.

Huh?

[G6SS]

So in conclusion, CAI and mishimoto are garbage and don't waste you're money. Roto-fab thank you for taking your time and putting in the effort to come up with a quality product worth the money. I will be purchasing one very soon!

[1slowssm6]

Originally Posted by G6SS

So in conclusion, CAI and mishimoto are garbage and don't waste you're money. Roto-fab thank you for taking your time and putting in the effort to come up with a quality product worth the money. I will be purchasing one very soon!

cai showed a 2hp gain(negligible) mishimoto lost hp/tq,but its yet to be proven if the rotofab gains anything yet either,atleast until sledge tests it and the gm,afe cai's.i want a rotofab,but only if its proven to show gains,until then ill stay stock,clearly stock is best so far.

[revhead60]

Went to the 50th anniversary celebration at Lansing grand river last Thursday and talked to a engineer about a CAI for the V6 and he said GM was coming out with one on January or February 2017

[Finkleson]

Wish it was CARB proof ( California Air Resources Board ) woulda ordered it right now.

[Roto-fab 1]

Originally Posted by 1slowssm6

cai showed a 2hp gain(negligible) mishimoto lost hp/tq,but its yet to be proven if the rotofab gains anything yet either,atleast until sledge tests it and the gm,afe cai's.i want a rotofab,but only if its proven to show gains,until then ill stay stock,clearly stock is best so far.

JDP's dyno of our intake was a very credible test, showing a peak gain of 12 HP with an earlier configuration. Since then we have made some key changes to our MAF housing, and airbox/filter size. We are hoping to see gains in the high teens with our production system.

With that said, we do look forward to more 3rd party testing!

Michael

[Roto-fab 1]

Originally Posted by TSloper

What are the lambda values? AFis is just isn't as useful because we don'I know what stoich is used in generating the AFR value.

14.16 stoich, Lambda .856 and actual AFR 12.20. That is a snap shot at 6200 rpm. To clarify, the general statement I was making is we are showing AFR readings of 12.2 to 12.3 @WOT. In contrast, our data logs of a competing intake are showing AFR readings of about 10.3@WOT.
For us, the most important thing about this information is the numbers mentioned above are after a few hundred miles of testing. Our system maintained it's performance whereas the competing system started out with higher AFR readings, then slowly decreased over drive cycles before stabilizing in the low 10s @WOT.

[Speedy1975]

Low 10s at WOT is no bueno on the competitor.

Thanks for posting the info.

[Sledgehammer70]

Oh.... I can't wait to test this beast. I am doing oiled, non oiled and a drop in filter test. I have a new way to approach the ECU possibly not learning as quickly, so hopefully it will yield some new results that speak a bit more on what is happening.

[Picks]

I ordered mine from Phastek, who else, on the 22nd. Still no ship notification so fingers crossed they're in stock and ready to go.