[amerhash28]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

That was a joke. The LT4 in the Z06 is definitely not wimpy if the exhaust mode is set to track. Everyone that has heard mine has said it sounds bada$$.

Yes I know its pretty loud and aggressive BUT suitable for a sports car not a muscle like zl1.what im trying to say here is that the next zl1 needs a laud rumble like challenger hellcat,if not at least like the corrent zl1.thats my opinion


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9dPujflR864


Doesn't sound like a muscle to me.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by amerhash28

Yes I know its pretty loud and aggressive BUT suitable for a sports car not a muscle like zl1.what im trying to say here is that the next zl1 needs a laud rumble like challenger hellcat,if not at least like the corrent zl1.thats my opinion


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9dPujflR864


Doesn't sound like a muscle to me.

Not sure how this

sounds more like "muscle" than this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=UHdutoDVN3Q
But whatever, one is a sport coupe and the other is a sports car. They both sound similar and fantastic to me.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I was going by the leaked order guide (http://blog.caranddriver.com/mustang...r-form-leaked/). Did a little looking around and and see where they opted out. My mistake.

No problem. There is still confusion over the CCBs.

[Trans damm]

Didn't realize they removed them either. That's unfortunate.

[amerhash28]

Originally Posted by Trans damm

Didn't realize they removed them either. That's unfortunate.

Removed what?

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by amerhash28

Removed what?

Carbon ceramic brakes on the gt350.

Wasn't worth the cost is what I'm gathering.

I wouldn't want the expense unless I was a hard core track guy. Soooo expensive.

[LesserO2Evils]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Carbon ceramic brakes on the gt350.

Wasn't worth the cost is what I'm gathering.

I wouldn't want the expense unless I was a hard core track guy. Soooo expensive.

How do you think they kept the price reasonable? It was a sacrifice so they didnt end up with a Ford version of the Z28 sitting in lots and not selling. Thats a $10k savings.

[Sidedraft]

Ford cut the carbon ceramic brakes and instead went with carbon fiber wheels. The cost is probably pretty close to the same.

Really, the biggest gain from using carbon ceramic brakes is for the reduced unsprung mass. If it wasn't for the fact that the Zeta Camaro was such a heavy platform I doubt GM would have put carbon ceramics on the Z/28 in the first place.

I don't see the point of the GT350R. It's basically a GT350TP with aftermarket wheels and spoiler.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Sidedraft

Ford cut the carbon ceramic brakes and instead went with carbon fiber wheels. The cost is probably pretty close to the same.

Really, the biggest gain from using carbon ceramic brakes is for the reduced unsprung mass. If it wasn't for the fact that the Zeta Camaro was such a heavy platform I doubt GM would have put carbon ceramics on the Z/28 in the first place.
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On a street car maybe, but there are definitely benefits of CC brakes in racing. And let's not forget the the R MSRP is $61k, I'm sure adding another $10k in brakes to make it the same price as the Z/28 wasn't well received given the Z/28s sales. Ford definitely didn't want to make that mistake when it knows it will only sell a few anyway.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Sidedraft

Ford cut the carbon ceramic brakes and instead went with carbon fiber wheels. The cost is probably pretty close to the same.

Really, the biggest gain from using carbon ceramic brakes is for the reduced unsprung mass. If it wasn't for the fact that the Zeta Camaro was such a heavy platform I doubt GM would have put carbon ceramics on the Z/28 in the first place.

I don't see the point of the GT350R. It's basically a GT350TP with aftermarket wheels and spoiler.

Carbon fiber wheels are $30k for the set. I doubt GMs CCBs are $30k for the whole set up.

[Sidedraft]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Carbon fiber wheels are $30k for the set. I doubt GMs CCBs are $30k for the whole set up.

Do you actually believe Ford pays $30K for those wheels?

[Sidedraft]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

On a street car maybe, but there are definitely benefits of CC brakes in racing. And let's not forget the the R MSRP is $61k, I'm sure adding another $10k in brakes to make it the same price as the Z/28 wasn't well received given the Z/28s sales. Ford definitely didn't want to make that mistake when it knows it will only sell a few anyway.

Carbon ceramic brakes are overrated all around, IMO. If they cost a third of what they do it would probably be worth it on a production car.

[Iroc_Z28]

Originally Posted by Sidedraft

Do you actually believe Ford pays $30K for those wheels?

No, they have a contract with the supplier and most likely get a "bulk" price.... they pay maybe $5000 a set? something in that range

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Sidedraft

Do you actually believe Ford pays $30K for those wheels?

Of course not. Do you believe GM pays $10k for a set of CCBs?