04-17-2024, 12:09 PM | #57 | |
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But this point is a non sequitur. The closer to diminishing returns --> the greater the reason to build to buyer appeal. I put more on the B.o. Directors (but I'm ready for new CEO and president to bring hope). A f*cking mutual fund or big institution isn't going to care if GM goes down, and may want it, as they could hope to pick up the market slack elsewhere. And then, the 401k's just look like bribes to get normal fellas to give up their shareholder votes. |
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04-18-2024, 09:00 AM | #58 |
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GM is actually in a pivotal position because their standard size truck and SUVs are excellent. In fact, I would go on a limb and say that their pickup truck and suv's are in the best shape aesthetically and functionally. This was due to steady improvement in the genre without interruption. The truck and SUV genres feature outstanding power, technology and functionality that were once desired features in their automobiles. Its a little less than an accident that the full sized trucks and SUVs are now the focus of their line-up in the absence of their regular automobiles. Thirty years ago or more the pickups were considered farm and rural staples, good but unseen to the regular automobiles.
GM is also in a precarious spot because, IMO, with the absence of a dominant car line the company is no longer a dominant player in the automotive field. Their once docile japanese competitors have now taken their spot as the pre-eminent car manufacturer.
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04-18-2024, 11:36 AM | #59 | |
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If cars make a comeback, there is still capability in China, Sout Korea, and South America that can be leveraged to revive a car portfolio in the US. It wouldn’t be easy by any stretch of the imagination, but it wouldn’t be starting over. If they maintain their current trajectory towards high volume EVs, a sedan or coupe is simply(?) another top hat on the BEV3 skateboard architecture that builds everything from next gen Bolt to Blazer EV / Lyriq.
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04-18-2024, 01:01 PM | #61 |
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They've hinted at low roof for a while now. Even showed one that looked like a Camaro.
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04-18-2024, 02:28 PM | #62 | |
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True. But, GM also told us we were getting a $30k Equinox EV and a $65k Blazer EV SS. We’ll get ‘em, but bump those prices up $5-10k and delay them a year. Wouldn’t surprise me to see any car-based applications delayed, too.
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04-18-2024, 02:33 PM | #63 |
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When you strip away all the BS, corporations are built, and sustained, by the one-on-one personal relationships with each customer. Even internal customers. It all boils down to that. The cumulative effect of all the customers adds up, and this gives you the report card, if you will, of the company's overall performance. Back in the 80s when GM had a huge market share, they could be world leaders in sales and pretty much dictate the market. No longer. Still doesn't mean you should lose innovation.
Mary's made mistakes. Everyone makes them. I'm sure she didn't WANT to pull the plug on Camaro. But sales are sales. Can you point to the marketing department and say things like, "WTF? We gave you ???? dollars for Camaro advertising and what did you do with it?" Like it or not, in ONE year I saw more advertising for Dodge than I did for Camaro in the last 10 years combined. So whether its parts-bin specials, lackluster styling, no updates to correct past issues, etc., GM has never seemed to address exactly why they thought sales figures were in the toilet, and what, if anything, was the game plan to turn it around. It wasn't like it snuck up on them. A good sales team knows what it takes to understand what the public wants. Maybe they didn't want to? Did they think it's for a small sect of buyers anyway, let's not get too involved with it and let it just die on the vine? I don't advocate for Mary to be fired. At least not yet. Everyone's going through a major upheaval to their business plans because it wasn't a ground roots program to accelerate things. Outside influence plays a major role. How each of these companies come out on the other side is yet to be seen. This ain't gm's first rodeo. They've been in tough times before. On a personal level, if they continue with their plans on BEV'ing everything, I'm pretty much done with them. I believe in choices, and one shouldn't be penalized (paying a premium for) one propulsion method over another if they're made available just to get you to buy the one they want you to buy. Free markets should be, well, free.
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As far as a performance car goes...we've been told to "keep the faith" (yet again). That leads me to nervously believe there will be something intended to replace the Camaro. |
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Ideally, to compete with Wrangler / Bronco, you’d want a utility off the Colorado / Canyon RWD platform. But at the time that was an aging platform struggling to justify the expense to replace it. So the Granite concept that made it to the show was done off the VSS-F platform. In other words…another FWD compact utility. So might have cannabalized Equinox / Terrain sales or maybe at best it could be the top end trim of Terrain. Not enough volume in that scenario. And probably not real world competitive with Wrangler / Bronco. Then the whole VSS-F / VSS-R strategy sorta decomposed. I’m sure there’s a lot more to the story that happened after I left, but not having something in that segment wasn’t for lack of trying.
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That's interesting about the Granite. It looks like it might compete with a GTI! lol. Talk about an idea that looked different in concept. Granite is also a model made by Mack, wonder how that would have played out.
I'm hallucinating that someday we might see something like an S10 ZR2 2-door again. Hindsight is myopic...the interiors were junk, door panels bulged when you raised and lowered the windows in the doors, and 190hp out of a wheezing 4.3 was nothing to write home about. But somehow, they were perfect. Proportions, versatility. In a world of trucks starting to wear mom jeans and dad shoes, bloating, and going crossover, the S10 was still a cool truck. I think GM almost has the feel with the new Colorado, but we need a ute! |
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In stead of Granite, maybe GM brass could use the nameplate Marble, since that's what they have rolling around inside their heads.
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I have S10's, and they've all gotten sloppier than when fresh. I think GM must have used some cheap ABS plastic in the wrong spots rather than a nylon that's multiple times stronger. Anyone onto S10's isn't going for luxury, even with Bravadas. Colorados just seemed intended for someone else. I've test driven the newer 4.3 in the last gen full size truck WT, and liked it a lot, but not the full-size. I would've loved to see variants made with more cubes, odd-fire. |
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