04-02-2020, 08:17 AM | #57 |
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I bet the Mustang rebate will stack with supplier, but not with employee. My guess.
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FYI: The GT350 and the GT500 are both basically a parts bin car as well. Other than the motor, wheels, and shock the rest is a base Mustang with a package. Just like the ZL1.
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Dodge “half assed” the Redeye with inadequate tires and chassis. Wide body $$$$$ helps. I do agree that a Camaro LT5 should be less expensive than either the GT500 or Redeye. Chevy offers more for less.
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Of course sales are down, the Moe's at GM think a color change will WOW everyone into got to have it and sway them from buying a Dodge who keeps pushing HP in your face.
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I was correct.
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The GT cars also don't share thier transmissions with ANY OTHER Mustang. Suspension MOUNTS, BUSHINGS, SPRINGS as well as the aforementioned shocks. They have model-specific body parts that are different even between the 350 and 500. These are not "parts bin" cars. The reason you'd apply that to a Camaro is because it shares it's engines with other GM Products... the GT Mustangs DO NOT do this. |
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Looking for something different, wish GM would take a page out of Ford's book. I do think they planned on going that route for Gen 7 Camaro, offering high revving engines from the C8, but who knows what will happen now.
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The GT350 and GT500 are not parts bin cars because there are numerous bespoke components on them. Everything about the Camaro was developed for other programs. Quote:
Dodge and Ford are taking what they have and pushing it as far as they can go. GM is looking at the Camaro and holding it down. Which of the 3 is on the verge of dying again?
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GM's list of bad descisions on the 6th gen Camaro are endless really but three stand out to me
1. Marketing. I feel like last Camaro commerical I've seen was 2014 TF4 based with the kid saying "Bumblebee is that you!". When TF5 came out they didn't take advantage of using the movie & the 6th Gen Bumblebee, they never put together new Transformers editions like they did in 2010 & 2012. Nor did they with Bumblebee the Movie which they could have translated with evolution of Bumblebee Camaro's from TF1 through 5 with a liner about Bumblebee and the Camaro. Move away from the TF Franchise and they didn't do any good marketing. Dodge always has Chargers & Challengers in Commercials throughout the year. 2. Price points & trim levels. GM tries too hard to separate trim levels of the cars. The average public you have to sell on standard features compared to today's competition in the year 2020, and options that are more times not added when it comes to creature comforts. GM has built their trim packages on the Camaro like it's 2005 and charging Premium prices for extremely basic equipment. On price point 2010-2020 price inflation seems to be about $6,000-$7,000 more on these cars today for matching trim levels and options. With that in mind a lot of potential customers don't to buy new and prefer to wait and buy used so they don't lose $10,000 plus on immediate depreciation off the top. 3. Keep shoppers interested as the car market advances per model year. Besides Fascia's & 10spd auto on the SS GM hasn't done much to keep the car moving forward with the times. They change a couple of colors but they don't created entire packages. Special packages has been Dodges bread and butter more so than redesigns, and every time they do it they create something appealing that draws attention of shoppers. I believe at one point recently Challenger was beating Mustang & Camaro in sales, that a 2008 design beating newer models of their competitor.
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04-02-2020, 12:19 PM | #68 |
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the price points just don't make sense. the SRT392 Challengers brand new are going for low to mid $30K's on a MSRP about $10K higher. That also means these don't lose $10K driving them off the lots because 2-3 year old cars are still selling around $30K. With the Camaro you are looking at $40K with the paltry discounts currently offered. And the car is worth $30K in a year or two. Doesn't take a marketing genius to figure out why they are not selling very well. Despite the fact its a much better car - that doesn't matter enough to drive the sales numbers that Dodge is doing.
It makes no sense to me how in this current market which is beyond dead GM is still only offering $1750 on a 2019 Camaro which is last years model - cmon, the 2021's are out in 6 months so a 2019 is already 1.5 years old. I guess they are taking the position that nobody is going to buy a car now regardless where they price it - but I really think they are missing the boat here. And it's playing out in the numbers isn't it? |
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Gas prices dropping, advertising costs dropping. Maybe its a good time for GM to finally advertise and start selling Camaros. Will they let this opportunity slip through their fingers or will they capitalize on a bad situation? |
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GM is stupid. The need leadership. They are lacking it. To busy focusing on Moms baking cookies as their prime prospect.
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