[DiGiam]

Carroll Shelby. Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. in a roll race I will agree that torque isn't important much at all but from a stop and normal driving it is a huge deciding factor

[DiGiam]

If the 18 had the gt350 front end, quad tip exhaust, 10 speed, and 470hp. Id be on it like flies on doodoo..lol

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by DiGiam

Carroll Shelby. Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. in a roll race I will agree that torque isn't important much at all but from a stop and normal driving it is a huge deciding factor

From a launch, physics are at work. The energy stored in a spinning flywheel makes up for any lack of torque. For the current GT, traction is the limiting factor here in regards to the 60'.

During normal driving, you just need to downshift to get into a gear that allows the engine to better utilize it’s available torque (and to provide a mechanical torque multiplication via gearing).

The GT still has plenty of rear wheel torque to exceed the mechanical grip of the tires.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Keep dreaming my friend.

I really don't have to the last update Ford did to the GT actually slowed the car down, now you think it is going to magically gain 6-7 tenths.

[DiGiam]

I know when American muscle got there hands on the new GT's (15') they struggled to get them out of the 13's. When the 16 Camaro came out they immediately ran as advertised and faster. I can see the new stang hitting 12.5 auto 12.7 manual. The manual cars will be a closer race but the auto Camaro should still have a decent gap

[RagingHawk]

Didn't expect the thread to blow up, haha. Yeah it is all speculation for now, but I believe those estimates are realistic. It's doubtful Ford will give it 470 or more horses and bring it close to the GT350 then have to introduce the 7th Gen with 500 HP. Not going to happen. The refresh seems to be high revving still or even more high revving, so they are sticking to HP formula and not going to gain much on the torque end.

The new PP will probably get 12.7 1/4 mile as Ford with the 3.73's. The auto is not going to gain as much as people are suspecting. The other figures in the magazine are for the speculated GT500 which Mustang6g guys think they're getting around 800 HP, LOL!

[ULTRAZLS1]

Let him think it just needs a tune I been over it with him.

I beat a tune and drag pack auto s550 by .5 and 4 mph when my car was stock tune and drag pack. He was getting everything he could out of the car no spinning no nothing. Adjusted his tune 3 times that day. He was 12.2-3@112-113 I was 11.8@116.5 on that day

With both on a tire it gets even worse for the mustang. When you can just drop the hammer on all the instant torque they are in the rear view pretty quick.

I think an E85 tune and cai car could hang within a car or two from a roll but not from a dig.

[newmoon]

A new Boss?

http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/02/...is-on-way.html

[DiGiam]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Let him think it just needs a tune I been over it with him.

I beat a tune and drag pack auto s550 by .5 and 4 mph when my car was stock tune and drag pack. He was getting everything he could out of the car no spinning no nothing. Adjusted his tune 3 times that day. He was 12.2-3@112-113 I was 11.8@116.5 on that day

With both on a tire it gets even worse for the mustang. When you can just drop the hammer on all the instant torque they are in the rear view pretty quick.

I think an E85 tune and cai car could hang within a car or two from a roll but not from a dig.

Amen. Same thing happened when I was bone stock in 85 degree heat. A tune, cai, gt350 manifold s550 was 12.5 and I ran 12.2 on a 100 percent stock car. race was over in 60 feet.

[KMPrenger]

I don't expect the Mustang to overtake the Camaro SS in performance...especially overall performance (acceleration, handling, feel) but I expect it to be damn close if not basically even.

A power bump and that 10 speed ARE going to make a big difference in the 1/4 mile. Now if Mustang was going from an 8 speed to a 10 like Camaro will do at some point, then I'd say that's not really a big deal. But just look at what going from a 6 to an 8 speed did for the Challenger/Charger. Not to mention, its a very similar transmission to what the ZL1 is using (although, a Ford tune) I don't know if I expect Mustang to be dead even in the 1/4, but I suspect at least within a few tenths.

As for handling, I thought that Ford was upping the game on the PP package, or perhaps doing a performance "plus" package.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

The LT1 didn't gain much over it's LS counterpart in regards to power and torque. The switch over to direct injection has far more to do with emissions (and a lesser extent fuel economy) than power.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The LT1 gain significant torque in the low and mid range. This presentation shows that direct injection put it on par with the 7.0L LS7 and significantly over the LS3

http://carguideblog.com/29497/chevy-...4-corvette-c7/

[KMPrenger]

Yeah...large difference in low to midrange power with the LT1 and LS3. That is not something that should be ignored. There is more to the LT1 than "just 20 or 30 more peak HP and TQ" over the LS3.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by newmoon

A new Boss?

http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/02/...is-on-way.html

That's some straight up UFO conspiracy junk there lol.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The LT1 gain significant torque in the low and mid range. This presentation shows that direct injection put it on par with the 7.0L LS7 and significantly over the LS3

http://carguideblog.com/29497/chevy-...4-corvette-c7/

Care to share a non-fake dyno for the Gen5 SS camaro and Gen6 SS camaro? Maybe something that doesn't have an estimated HP tag...and something where both have HP/Tq curves crossing at 5252?

While low-mid gains fell great on the street...they don't do anything if they aren't between peak torque and power....in regards to performance.