[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

All drag strips work this way. The timer doesn't start until your tire rolls out of the stage beam. Basically that guy didn't launch way better than you he just TREEDYOU (see what I did there ), the 60ft time tells you how good the launch is.


I know the C6Zs have run 10s stock, I was even recently considering them again. I think they are still a little quicker at the track than a regular ZL1, but the data is a little confusing. Even Nurburgring times show the 2012 way faster than the 2006.
What is the C7Z spread from manual to auto at the strip? I haven't looked into it.


1 second after 3 laps is not much fall off at all and it is most likely from the tires and minimal heat soak at that point.
Also your DR comment is just not going to be accurate. All the GT500 needs to run it's 10s is traction, just like Hellcat's have needed since 2015.

I think you're usually looking at 1 to 4 tenths advantage for the auto vs the m7 in the c7 z06s. I think reviews had the auto right around 11 and the m7 11.2/3. Fast list fastest is 10.4 for the a8 10.8 for the m7. With a tire it's 10.2 for the auto 10.3 for m7.

It's crazy how fast the c6 z cars were with a driver mod. I think some or the faster lap times later on were due to the z07 packages and carbon fiber packages added later on as well as maybe better tires with those later models.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Troll post here, I actually think the gt500 is a badass car and clearly faster than the zl1 as it should be, BUT for all the fanboys claiming the magazine 11.5 and 11.3s on street surfaces are b.s. and the thing will run 10s all day on the strip.

Two 800+ hp cars ran awesome 10.1 times at 140+ mph (one did 144). The stock gt500 ran 11.6. It was Palm beach dyno's car not some guy who's never raced before.

Again the gt500 is the faster car, but to think it can't possibly lose to a zl1 even at the strip is delusional. It should win, but it won't always win.

I also saw a video of m6 ZLE and hellcat running 13s lol so I know it goes both ways.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Exactly, and these numbers are only more exaggerated in the real world. As was said, it will be at least 2021 until MSRP on a 500 is a reality, and maybe not until mid to late 2021 knowing Ford dealers. It gets very hard to justify, mainly because you can get a ZL1 for so much cheaper. I think it is less a feeling that the 500 is not worth it, and more just that GM has spoiled me with their insane value.

If you take it for what its worth, there have been MSRP deals on the base car
according to the other site. CFTP not so much lol

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I think you're usually looming at 1 to 4 tenths advantage for the auto vs the m7 in the c7 z06s. I think reviews had the auto right around 11 and the m7 11.2/3. Fast list fastest is 10.4 for the a8 10.8 for the m7. With a tire it's 10.2 for the auto 10.3 for m7.

It's crazy how fast the c6 z cars were with a driver mod. I think some or the faster lap times later on were due to the z07 packages and carbon fiber packages added later on as well as maybe better tires with those later models.

The Z07 package made an insane difference for the C6 Z06. It was carbon ceramic brakes, insanely sticky tires and some other stuff.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Troll post here, I actually think the gt500 is a badass car and clearly faster than the zl1 as it should be, BUT for all the fanboys claiming the magazine 11.5 and 11.3s on street surfaces are b.s. and the thing will run 10s all day on the strip.

Two 800+ hp cars ran awesome 10.1 times at 140+ mph (one did 144). The stock gt500 ran 11.6. It was Palm beach dyno's car not some guy who's never raced before.

Again the gt500 is the faster car, but to think it can't possibly lose to a zl1 even at the strip is delusional. It should win, but it won't always win.

I also saw a video of m6 ZLE and hellcat running 13s lol so I know it goes both ways.

I have said many times here, in my 04 GT I never lost to a 04-06 GTO. Because the guys in the GTO couldn't launch to save their lives. My little 260HP GT took out every 350 and 400HP GTO that day at the track. Was my GT faster/better nope. the other guys couldn't drive lol. Any car can lose to any car if you can't get off the starting line

Another example, buddy of mine had a 04 Cobra. His best run was mid to high 13s bc he would leave the line so gently

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

If you take it for what its worth, there have been MSRP deals on the base car
according to the other site. CFTP not so much lol

Not impossible, just difficult. My comments meant to reflect a future time when most people can just walk in to a dealer and not have to fight to get MSRP. Those days are not here yet, but eventually.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Not impossible, just difficult. My comments meant to reflect a future time when most people can just walk in to a dealer and not have to fight to get MSRP. Those days are not here yet, but eventually.

for sure. I am very curious to see what my local dealer slaps on it. They are were very greedy in the past

[BlaqWhole]

I do believe that there are a handful of dealerships offering the Base 500 at MSRP. However your chances of finding them and getting to the car before someone else snatches it up are slim to none. With that said, if the Base 500 came with sunroof option, heated/cooled seats, Nav, heated steering wheel, BLIS, and no speed limiter...all at MSRP for $74K no bullshit no haggle, then I would buy one. I think Ford is stupid for still making their cars without a sunroof option in 2020. Especially at what these cars cost. You can option in a sunroof on the competitor's cars and still be cheaper. The speed limiter has been my gripe since I heard about it. I just can't do it. Even if I could get past a solid roof, the limiter is just too much.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I do believe that there are a handful of dealerships offering the Base 500 at MSRP. However your chances of finding them and getting to the car before someone else snatches it up are slim to none. With that said, if the Base 500 came with sunroof option, heated/cooled seats, Nav, heated steering wheel, BLIS, and no speed limiter...all at MSRP for $74K no bullshit no haggle, then I would buy one. I think Ford is stupid for still making their cars without a sunroof option in 2020. Especially at what these cars cost. You can option in a sunroof on the competitor's cars and still be cheaper. The speed limiter has been my gripe since I heard about it. I just can't do it. Even if I could get past a solid roof, the limiter is just too much.

This^^

[Rodan]

I still think the "MSRP deals" on GT500s are fanboi BS. Maybe, with some sort of inside connection, but certainly not for a "walk-in" customer.

[ST1LE]

Only Base Car in Houston with a price, at least this dealer has the balls to be up front.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=260920609

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by shaffe

If you take it for what its worth, there have been MSRP deals on the base car
according to the other site. CFTP not so much lol




The Z07 package made an insane difference for the C6 Z06. It was carbon ceramic brakes, insanely sticky tires and some other stuff.



I have said many times here, in my 04 GT I never lost to a 04-06 GTO. Because the guys in the GTO couldn't launch to save their lives. My little 260HP GT took out every 350 and 400HP GTO that day at the track. Was my GT faster/better nope. the other guys couldn't drive lol. Any car can lose to any car if you can't get off the starting line

Another example, buddy of mine had a 04 Cobra. His best run was mid to high 13s bc he would leave the line so gently

Yea launch matters and when the cars are within half a second of each other or so, it's anyone's race.

[shaffe]

It's almost like Ford made this car just for me because I am to fat for Recaros and hate sunroofs lol!

It is very odd there is no sunroof option though....it's the only Ford vehicle with out a sunroof option

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Troll post here, I actually think the gt500 is a badass car and clearly faster than the zl1 as it should be, BUT for all the fanboys claiming the magazine 11.5 and 11.3s on street surfaces are b.s. and the thing will run 10s all day on the strip.

Two 800+ hp cars ran awesome 10.1 times at 140+ mph (one did 144). The stock gt500 ran 11.6. It was Palm beach dyno's car not some guy who's never raced before.

Again the gt500 is the faster car, but to think it can't possibly lose to a zl1 even at the strip is delusional. It should win, but it won't always win.

I also saw a video of m6 ZLE and hellcat running 13s lol so I know it goes both ways.

Exactly. There are faster cars that are always going to be faster with equal drivers regardless of conditions. I'd say the Z06 is a faster car than the ZL1 is. Als the ZR1. However there are faster cars that are faster ONLY if certain conditions are met. Hellcats and the GT500 fall into that category. The GT500 and Hellcat will always be faster than the ZL1 when the conditions permit. However outside of those conditions the ZL1 can definitely beat both of those cars. The 500 and HC will eventually catch it. But you'll be north of 120 MPH before that happens. And one of those cars will carry that lead all the way while the other one will get gapped around 181...

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by shaffe

It's almost like Ford made this car just for me because I am to fat for Recaros and hate sunroofs lol!

It is very odd there is no sunroof option though....it's the only Ford vehicle with out a sunroof option

You mean the gt500 or mustangs in general? Thought no s550 had a sun roof option? Not that I care, sun roofs don't do anytbing for me either.... bring back t tops or Targa tops lol

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Exactly. There are faster cars that are always going to be faster with equal drivers regardless of conditions. I'd say the Z06 is a faster car than the ZL1 is. Als the ZR1. However there are faster cars that are faster ONLY if certain conditions are met. Hellcats and the GT500 fall into that category. The GT500 and Hellcat will always be faster than the ZL1 when the conditions permit. However outside of those conditions the ZL1 can definitely beat both of those cars. The 500 and HC will eventually catch it. But you'll be north of 120 MPH before that happens. And one of those cars will carry that lead all the way while the other one will get gapped around 181...

I wonder if this is a function of those cars reaching the chassis limits for their version of front engine rear drive, just like C7 has reached GM's limits for front engine rear drive? Could it but that GM tipped that line in development of C7 and then dialed it back a notch. Then went balls out for C8? Might also explain Ford's speed limiter on GT500 top end. Could it be that they are concerned about hitting a point where the powertrain exceeds the capability of the chassis?