[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by hotlap

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...amaro-zl1-1le/

This was posted in the main section of Camaro6

TreedYou isn't going to like this.

Ouch. Well that just about wraps it up.

[Rodan]

Pictures at Willow Springs, but no lap times...

Wonder if they're going to use the same day to produce 4-5 different articles like MT did?

Pretty much what I've expected all along... monster in a straight line, but the S550 chassis just can't match the Alpha.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by Rodan

Pictures at Willow Springs, but no lap times...

Wonder if they're going to use the same day to produce 4-5 different articles like MT did?

Pretty much what I've expected all along... monster in a straight line, but the S550 chassis just can't match the Alpha.

That would be such a waste if they spent 2 days tracking the cars and they don't post lap times and other info/data from that event.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

What does that have to do with liking the zl1?
I think you created a narrative in your head.

You know it's ok to like two different cars right? Its not a gang.

Again, ZL1 is a beast good luck trying to imagine I dont like the car.

Compose yourself. I couldn’t care less if you like or dislike the ZL1.

You’ve been riding Blaq’s ass for making the exact same observation that Car & Driver did.

The ZL1 1LE is “simply a better value” and “ZL1 1LE manages to match or surpass the Shelby's performance while offering a much longer list of features”

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

That would be such a waste if they spent 2 days tracking the cars and they don't post lap times and other info/data from that event.

Hopefully they do post some times. I can't imagine that they wouldn't unless for some reason they agreed not to.

[Evansa22]

Article was a good read, only thing I didn't really agree with was one of the cons for the camaro. It says the body roll is notable, for me the car is point and shoot. No real perceivable roll for me but maybe my palate isn't as refined. Haven't driven too many sports cars, but maybe other people can elaborate. Do you agree with their statement? How's it compare to other similar cars? Just wondering and thanks for the info

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

If affected less by the conditions you mean it's easier to hook up in a car with less horsepower and the car with less horsepower loses less horsepower with DA (because percentages) then sure, but that is not what you are saying. You literally are defying physics in your head. If you were a drag racer you would know that even Camaro guys are searching for low DA and good prep. Wait till the C8 finds negative DA and runs a 10. You have said it will, but guess what? It's going to take ideal conditions, because every car is affected by them.


Most magazines use VBox timers on unprepped surfaces. Also my shitty local drag strip is not prepped on test and tune days.
Agree mostly on the auto thing, except that you better train that monkey how to get the best launch.



Look in the drag racing forum. I think there was a guy running like 12.3 in his ZLE on the first page the last I looked. Fact is you cherry pick this stuff.
All these cars can run more than 1 second slower from a botched launch and it's more difficult to launch a higher horsepower car.

Isn't the 12.3 zle a manual guy though? These cars all run slower but comparing a manuals consistency to a bunch of autos isn't fair as there is tons of room for operator error

[Rodan]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

Article was a good read, only thing I didn't really agree with was one of the cons for the camaro. ...

What I don't get is them liking the Mustang interior better. We had a '17 Mustang and I found the Camaro a huge improvement... better materials, design, etc. The Mustang was econobox cheap looking/feeling.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Rodan

What I don't get is them liking the Mustang interior better. We had a '17 Mustang and I found the Camaro a huge improvement... better materials, design, etc. The Mustang was econobox cheap looking/feeling.

Interior is pretty subjective just like exterior, I prefer the camaro interior and so do some of my mustang friends. The cockpit position is superior and it's simpler and cleaner imo, wouldn't disagree if someone says the mustang's is better in their opinion though.

What I do disagree with is the "plain" styling of the camaro they mentioned as a con. Obviously I own a camaro so I'm partial, but the zle looks way better imo. Very evident in the Edmunds video.

The Shelby is just a kinda cool somewhat busy bumper with the rest looking very plain, including the wing which looks like a generic ricer wing compared to the camaros far more stylized wing and canards. Looks stuck on like the wing option in the Forza games for anyone familiar. Even the side skirts and splitter don't tie in to the body as seamless and cleanly as the camaros. The Shelbys wheels are also generic and uninspired imo... but I get it's the new kid in town and something different unlike the camaro we've been seeing since 2017, so there is that.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Ouch. Well that just about wraps it up.

Yeah, this is really bad for the CFTP.

We have been saying all along that they better really bring it at $94K, and honestly it fell on its face in this comparison.

While I don't get excited about fake badges trying to conjure a time that is long over, I can see the allure it has for some and don't knock that. I dont see these cars as real Shelbys in the end of the day tbh, they are just a Ford product with a badge on it.

All that said..........you can get that badge without the CFTP, so if it isn't faster than a ZLE, then what the hell is the point in spending $94K when you get so little for it in comparison?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Compose yourself. I couldn’t care less if you like or dislike the ZL1.

You’ve been riding Blaq’s ass for making the exact same observation that Car & Driver did.

The ZL1 1LE is “simply a better value” and “ZL1 1LE manages to match or surpass the Shelby's performance while offering a much longer list of features”

He has been awful quiet since the GT500's spanking. I think he went back to his home forum to console his buddies.

Originally Posted by Evansa22

Article was a good read, only thing I didn't really agree with was one of the cons for the camaro. It says the body roll is notable, for me the car is point and shoot. No real perceivable roll for me but maybe my palate isn't as refined. Haven't driven too many sports cars, but maybe other people can elaborate. Do you agree with their statement? How's it compare to other similar cars? Just wondering and thanks for the info

I have not noticed any body roll at all. It has been pretty much point and shoot, like you said. If anything, at high speed cornering, the tires might give out if going too fast or if they are cold. But that's about it. Now I'll have to drive mine to see for myself.

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Yeah, this is really bad for the CFTP.

We have been saying all along that they better really bring it at $94K, and honestly it fell on its face in this comparison.

While I don't get excited about fake badges trying to conjure a time that is long over, I can see the allure it has for some and don't knock that. I dont see these cars as real Shelbys in the end of the day tbh, they are just a Ford product with a badge on it.

All that said..........you can get that badge without the CFTP, so if it isn't faster than a ZLE, then what the hell is the point in spending $94K when you get so little for it in comparison?

Yup! Even shaffe said that winning against the ZLE alone would not be enough...the 500 would have to win in a convincing manner and by a large margin to justify it's worth. And it didn't do that.

Maybe they can have their engineers work after hours and off the clock in another 6 years and cook up an even higher version GT500...GT500 CF-2! Maybe then they'll beat the ZLE.

[Rodan]

Watch... the next excuse will be "well, it's not a track car"... "it has a nicer ride than the ZLE"... etc.

[bradmo9]

I think everyone figured the Camaro would have a better skidpad and braking being its lighter with the same sticky tires. Can't wait till they actually run on the track together.

Still don’t understand their acceleration numbers. GT500 is ahead by .3 at 100mph and nearly 4 secs at 150. But they get only tenth difference in 1/4???? Which is 130 plus mph mark.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87;10701743[B

]Interior is pretty subjective just like exterior, I prefer the camaro interior and so do some of my mustang friends. The cockpit position is superior and it's simpler and cleaner imo, wouldn't disagree if someone says the mustang's is better in their opinion though.[/B]

What I do disagree with is the "plain" styling of the camaro they mentioned as a con. Obviously I own a camaro so I'm partial, but the zle looks way better imo. Very evident in the Edmunds video.

The Shelby is just a kinda cool somewhat busy bumper with the rest looking very plain, including the wing which looks like a generic ricer wing compared to the camaros far more stylized wing and canards. Looks stuck on like the wing option in the Forza games for anyone familiar. Even the side skirts and splitter don't tie in to the body as seamless and cleanly as the camaros. The Shelbys wheels are also generic and uninspired imo... but I get it's the new kid in town and something different unlike the camaro we've been seeing since 2017, so there is that.

I've notice a love then hate trend with interior design. Camaro won an award and positive reviews for its interior when it was released fall 2015. Now its cheap. Same with the C7 Corvette at introduction vs the intro of the C8.

The Camaro is in it fifth model year so now its criticized. The interior was a main deciding factor in my trading a 13 ZL1 for a 16 2SS. Way better interior, lower weight and equal performance