[shaffe]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I'd still like to see base zl1 vs base gt500, since the base zl1 is quicker apparently in a10 form and the base gt500 has been slower than the cftp in street testing it might be close at 11.5 or so with the gt500 probably trapping 5mph more.

Likewise. I want to see them run as well.

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I'd like to see a road course test but I'm starting to think we never will. But truth be told if the GT500 was 5 seconds faster it wouldn't change my mind about it at all. I wont buy one. The car isn't reasonably available for one thing. Secondly I refuse to pay 75k+ for a Mustang. They aren't special enough to me

Fair enough, would you pay 75K+ for a Camaro? Me I probably wouldn't I would probably go Corvette in that price range.

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Yes 2 seconds is significant. I kind of wish GM would add more variants/options kind of like what I'm saying with the 1LE wheels & tires. While that option may put an LT1 into SS price range, I'm saying it should also be an SS/V6/I4 option. If you want a stock LT1 for the lightest drag racing configuration, but know you need wider wheels and tires, someone may opt for it. It makes more sense to just buy rear 17x10.5s and throw drag radials on, but then it's "not stock"... If your autocrossing a V6 or I4 1LE then you could also definitely use more tire.
Sorry I guess I haven't been following all the GT350 reviews.
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All good. I get what you are saying. I totally understand it from a buyers perspective that the option might be great for LT1 buyers. I think from the business standpoint or GM's view is where it doesn't make sense. Once you are well enough into SS range I bet they would rather sell the SS than the LT1

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

If I ever see a GT500 on the track I can almost guarantee the driver won't be as good as me and I'll get video of me passing him for you. Does that mean my supercharged SS is better than a GT500? Hell no!

Agreed 1000% That's why there are tons of videos of guys in Miata's passing tons of "faster" cars

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Disagree - this isn't going to happen even in ZL1 ideal conditions. The GT500 makes much less torque at launch RPM than the ZL1 = better launches and then it's HP to weight and DCT advantage takes over.

GT500 will be the faster 1/4 mile car in all "real" scenarios, all things being equal.

The video I posted was in my anticipation of the road course testing. Yes I go to the road course, yes I go to drag race tracks. Yes the 3 cars in the video are the road course packages for their respective platforms. What I am looking forward to, is seeing how the A10 ZLE stacks up against a CFTP GT500. Yes price is a factor - if it wasn't, no one would argue to buy used over new...

Agree

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The ZL1 COULD beat the Base 500 in the quarter. I'm not saying it "will". I'm saying it "could". The Base has done 11.5 while the standard ZL1 has done 11.4. So it is possible that the ZL1 can manage a win against a Base GT500. Remember, the 500 is affected more by conditions than the ZL1.

Of course it could, thats why we want to see them tested together to see what happens!

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

GT500s launch control also appears to be a good launch control system where the Camaro and Hellcat systems are garbage. Hopefully we see an SRT Redeye ACR soon. I wanna know what SRT can do with that fat pig.

I actually think the ZL1 launch control is pretty good. It see's less of a variance than the other two so I would say that it's a combo of the launch control and the platform

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Fair enough, would you pay 75K+ for a Camaro? Me I probably wouldn't I would probably go Corvette in that price range.

Honestly no I would go Corvette as well. But I dont have to pay 75k+ for a super charged Camaro.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Honestly no I would go Corvette as well. But I dont have to pay 75k+ for a super charged Camaro.

That is also true.

Hell I honestly would probably cap it at 50 for a Mustang or Camaro or Challenger. After that I'd save my pennies and go Corvette

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Honestly no I would go Corvette as well. But I dont have to pay 75k+ for a super charged Camaro.

Originally Posted by shaffe

That is also true.

Hell I honestly would probably cap it at 50 for a Mustang or Camaro or Challenger. After that I'd save my pennies and go Corvette

I agree, but would go mid 50's for a ZL1. There are a few low miles ZL1's that could be had for $50K or less, and I think some would be lucky enough to haggle a deal on a new one for $55K.

Sadly, looks like Chevy won't be making Vettes with manuals anymore, so that changes things for me and I am having to change my thinking on what I want to own.

Right now, there is no manual offered new that beats a ZL1 at anything. Cost, performance, value, reliability, manual for manual nothing touches a ZL1/ZLE at anything.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

I agree, but would go mid 50's for a ZL1. There are a few low miles ZL1's that could be had for $50K or less, and I think some would be lucky enough to haggle a deal on a new one for $55K.

Sadly, looks like Chevy won't be making Vettes with manuals anymore, so that changes things for me and I am having to change my thinking on what I want to own.

Right now, there is no manual offered new that beats a ZL1 at anything. Cost, performance, value, reliability, manual for manual nothing touches a ZL1/ZLE at anything.

This is going to sound snobbish but I don't know if I could buy a used performance car unless I personally knew the previous owner lol. I would be to afraid that the previous owner beat the living hell out of it lol

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

I agree, but would go mid 50's for a ZL1. There are a few low miles ZL1's that could be had for $50K or less, and I think some would be lucky enough to haggle a deal on a new one for $55K.

Sadly, looks like Chevy won't be making Vettes with manuals anymore, so that changes things for me and I am having to change my thinking on what I want to own.

Right now, there is no manual offered new that beats a ZL1 at anything. Cost, performance, value, reliability, manual for manual nothing touches a ZL1/ZLE at anything.

Agreed - I'm a manual purist, and other than a ZLE, I'm closely watching C7 ZR1 values as it is the last holy grail big HP ICE only manual car.

Originally Posted by shaffe

This is going to sound snobbish but I don't know if I could buy a used performance car unless I personally knew the previous owner lol. I would be to afraid that the previous owner beat the living hell out of it lol

The best way is to know the previous owner - I look for small details if I'm buying used - I equate the way an owner treats the interior of a car (door sills, kick plates, cleanliness, buttons, etc), to how they maintain and use the rest of the car/vehicle.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I actually think the ZL1 launch control is pretty good. It see's less of a variance than the other two so I would say that it's a combo of the launch control and the platform

I'll admit I've never experienced ZL1 launch control, but going by the fast guys here, it sucks. My A8 launch control is calibrated for stock SS power levels and is useless and in my M6 Hellcat the only thing launch control was good for was basically ricer 2 step sounds.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

This is going to sound snobbish but I don't know if I could buy a used performance car unless I personally knew the previous owner lol. I would be to afraid that the previous owner beat the living hell out of it lol

I dont think that is snobbish at all, being concerned how a performance car has been treated is just smart haha.

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Agreed - I'm a manual purist, and other than a ZLE, I'm closely watching C7 ZR1 values as it is the last holy grail big HP ICE only manual car.



The best way is to know the previous owner - I look for small details if I'm buying used - I equate the way an owner treats the interior of a car (door sills, kick plates, cleanliness, buttons, etc), to how they maintain and use the rest of the car/vehicle.

This is how I feel too. If the rest of the car was meticulously maintained, as I treat mine, them I assume they had the same care in driving and maintaining the engine etc. I have sold my previous performance cars, and treated them extremely well, and I can't be the only one. There are good cars out there. What I am buying also matters, a used 350 is a NO no matter what, but LT4's and 6th Gen Camaros in general are much more stout and reliable.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

I'll admit I've never experienced ZL1 launch control, but going by the fast guys here, it sucks. My A8 launch control is calibrated for stock SS power levels and is useless and in my M6 Hellcat the only thing launch control was good for was basically ricer 2 step sounds.

I've spent a bunch of time in a C7 Z06 A8 testing launch control. It's great for newbs, but it's far from optimal. Tire temps were the biggest factor for obvious reasons.

[DaveC113]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...eye-drag-race/

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The ZL1 COULD beat the Base 500 in the quarter. I'm not saying it "will". I'm saying it "could". The Base has done 11.5 while the standard ZL1 has done 11.4. So it is possible that the ZL1 can manage a win against a Base GT500. Remember, the 500 is affected more by conditions than the ZL1.

C'mon man. 'X' car could always beat 'y' car if the driver blows it off the line or for whatever other reason, but you know that on average the GT500 will be faster than the ZL1.

And how is the GT500 affected more by conditions?

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

C'mon man. 'X' car could always beat 'y' car if the driver blows it off the line or for whatever other reason, but you know that on average the GT500 will be faster than the ZL1.

And how is the GT500 affected more by conditions?

Different laws of physics apply to Fords, he will explain it to you.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Different laws of physics apply to Fords, he will explain it to you.

Your mancrush is starting to reach a level I would consider unhealthy.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

C'mon man. 'X' car could always beat 'y' car if the driver blows it off the line or for whatever other reason, but you know that on average the GT500 will be faster than the ZL1.

And how is the GT500 affected more by conditions?

This. All things equal, the ZL1 will never beat the GT500 in a straight line. A win due to error is still a win, but not because the ZL1 is the faster car, it simply isn't and I can't see why anyone would think so as we all predicted the GT500 to be the faster 1/4 mile car.